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original link: https://www.zhihu.com/question/22032540/answer/1712025251
Recently, I have seen a topic on Zhihu [ Why did you resign from Alibaba Group ? ], there is a highly praised answer from the author who stayed in Ant for nearly 1,200 days and finally chose to leave. Let’s take a look at his experience and feelings~
I will talk about it from the following aspects:
- As a technology, how do you feel in Ant Group ( Alibaba ) as a technology? Is it cost-effective to recruit Alibaba in
- ? What level is the best time to come to Alibaba?
- Why did I choose to leave
1. What is the overall feeling of Ant Group (Ali)?
1. Technical atmosphere
. The difference between the technology and technology is quite different from that of Ant. The group should be similar. Almost 80% to 85% of
are business technology. To put it bluntly, , a student who specializes in solving business problems. Overall, it does not have much technical content, but it has some requirements for business understanding. These students' future development routes are all towards the direction of supervisors, and they are unlikely to become technical experts, but their business capabilities are still OK.
has 10%~15% left, which are almost the underlying ones, including basic research algorithms, databases, and middleware. There are certain requirements for technology, but I don’t feel that there is a lot of pressure in business. It is okay if I have some ideas about technology.
Because Alibaba's usual kpi driver style, the overall technical atmosphere feels very average. Because the boss is concerned about whether you can solve the problem, you have created a hand craft AI, and KPI can be used, and you will still give you 375. Therefore, most of the overall business technology students in Ant are in a fast and rough style, without any sedimentation (mainly because of KPI culture, there are still quite a lot of students who pursue technology). The work is mainly a word of mouth + live dictionary Q&A. It still feels like a "startup company". I think the 10% to 15% basic technical students in are pretty good. They are very solid in all aspects and are also a place I recommend.
Recently, an ant’s friend went to Bytes. He said that if bytes were in the industrial age, then the ant was still in an agricultural era. The industrial age was efficient and highly productive, but it lacked some humanity. The agricultural era was quick and rough, but it had more humanity.
2. Humanistic care experience
Different office buildings will have huge humanistic care experience gap. The office building I am in is called Huanglong Times, which is the "Alipay overtime building". I personally feel that the experience of this park (barely giving this building a little dignity called it the park...) is very bad. Let's take a look at the scene of queuing upstairs after lunch:
- at least 4 times a day. If they are all in a relatively high period, it will take half an hour to wait for the elevator on this day. So what should I exchange for this half hour? Work overtime. Oh by the way, this park is different from other large parks (such as Z Space, Xixi Park, Binjiang Park, etc.) in that there is no canteen, and the daily dining experience is really bad. At least I don’t think it should be a performance that a large factory should have, that is, different employees enjoy different company benefits.
- . The company's corrupt KPI culture has caused many things that need to be precipitated in flowering and fruiting, and are denied before they can bloom and bear fruit. So everyone is walking hard day after day, no one or very few people are doing things that can be settled and reused. Over time, it has become a prisoner's dilemma of the current company's not competing with creativity and superb technology, but competing with overtime and physical strength.
is like in the industrial age, where some people work and some people study mechanical technology, while in the agricultural era, everyone is hoeing the ground to harvest because the landlords don’t give you time to study efficient tools. . There are too many monks and less porridge. I have always felt that there are too many ants. What are these people doing? Study which red envelope should you order after you pay, get some new game activities in Alipay , and develop some new functions that are useless to deceive yourself. I have sweared Alipay on the intranet before, and I have been given a lot of sesame seeds (a bit like intranet points), and I have received HR prizes. More than a year has passed, and Alipay has not changed at all, and it is still a big yellow page for each team to show KPI. - . The older employees have no social competitiveness at all. They just wait for the market here and there. There is no output. They are basically old comrades who are stinging Dingding for a day.
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I just use food and business as an example. I won’t explain the other common experiences in detail. It’s really “starting a business”!
3. What is the work and rest?
I am not as good as I am, I don’t have a copy, I will leave after I finish my work efficiently, and if I am anxious, I will work overtime. There will be no such situation as 996. However, there are quite a few people in the company, and almost half of them have a stable 1095-hour work schedule (Ants don’t have overtime work on Friday, and they all go at six o’clock). They are not as bad as the industry’s reputation. Of course, they still look at the team and the project. However, hard work still rewards.
4. Office politics?
According to my little minion, there are, and it is quite obvious. However, when I came in 2017, it was okay, not very obvious, and I feel that I am in a very obvious state recently. For example, if the boss likes someone, he will give a 375 a strange reason, which is nonsense. The cooperation between high P and high P is not smooth (that is, the kind that is not dealing with each other), which seriously affects the company's efficiency, etc. However, there are politics where people are, and it is similar in any company, but the atmosphere has begun to decline recently.
2. Is it cost-effective to recruit Alibaba in the school? What level is the best time to come to Alibaba?
I am usually quite willing to help fresh graduates answer questions in the Internet workplace. My advice to fresh graduates is: Is the
department core? If you have a pursuit of technology and hope to become a big shot, go to the core department, but the promotion may be slower; If you want to do applied technology and want to start a business in the future, go to the emerging department (but don’t have the edge); if it is a marginal department, just refuse, I know that Alibaba is not generous in the money given to fresh graduates. I think the first two are still cost-effective. Alibaba will still help students who have just entered society to shape a good social outlook and values, which is very important.
For students recruiting for the society:
If you come not to gilt, but to make money and make a living, I advise you not to come. Ants are actually quite average in terms of money. If you want to make money, the cost-effectiveness is really not high. I have also received a P8 offer in the base for a few months. I made a fortune in the morning and made a quiet voice. The cost-effectiveness is really high. It is also very good to have free time to develop a side job or think about some ways to make money. If you come to
just to gilt, it is also the idea of most of the current social recruitment students. I think it can still be done. The money is aligned with the industry. The boss Ali flavor should not be too pungent. It is quite good. It will be helpful for two years, whether it is ability or resume. To be honest, it is true.
social recruitment is best to join the company around early April. At that time, the fiscal year just started, and it was not easy to take the blame for 325.
3. Why did I choose to leave
- . The money is really out of touch with the market. The company uses a salary that is not linked to the industry to support me, so I bet that I dare not leave. In fact, I am leaving now. The things I owned before are basically no one can take over. The things I did alone are scattered in the hands of many people (maybe they can't handle them). I think my value is underestimated.
. [Supplement] The gap between the rich and the poor among Ant employees is very, very huge, especially represented by the middle and high P. The gap between students who have graduated for a few years is not obvious, and it is quite fair to get what you work hard. However, the income of P8 to P9 is almost several times to dozens of times that of those who work below, and most people are definitely not worthy of this premium (if you go out to find a job, if you hide your job rank and salary, no one wants the level). There are two types of people in the company
. I feel very disgusting:
- . The company recruited a lot of options . I don’t want to do things well, just want to cash out.
