球员心理健康问题讨论升温：老板们想要获得球员们这方面的病历

德马尔-德罗赞回应公众对于著名运动员的认知：“人们都说‘你有什么好抑郁呢？你可以买到任何你想要的东西。’那我就真希望这世界上每个人都很富有，这样他们就能意识到金钱并不是全部。”

[Bleacher Report] DeMar DeRozan on the public perception of famous athletes: “People say ‘What are you depressed about? You can buy anything you want.’ I wish everyone in the world was rich so they would realize money isn’t everything.”

[–][BKN] Vince CarterBoogiesAchilles 2667 指标 6小时前

Having money’s not everything

有钱并不是一切。

[–]richmuhlach 441 指标 6小时前

Yes. Give me money because I need the opportunity to realize that money isn’t everything.

是啊，那就赶紧给我打钱吧，因为我需要明白这个道理的机会啊！

[–]WarriorsIonkkll 983 指标 5小时前

Money doesn't buy happiness, it buys the opportunity to pursue happiness.

钱买不来快乐，但是它能买来追逐快乐的机会。

[–]76ersanser1233 513 指标 6小时前

Money does make a difference in happiness but only up to a certain amount

钱确实可以在制造幸福感上起到作用，但是也只有一定的程度。

[–]Raptors99Raps 152 指标 6小时前

IIRC, a professor in university told me it was $75k.

要是我没记错的话，一个大学教授告诉过我，你说的这个程度最大是75000美金。

[–]HeatErectusPenor 160 指标 6小时前*

Basically it's whatever amount of income that allows you to live a life free of monetary stress. Living in debt, or at least pay check to pay check, that's what affects your happiness.

基本上这个“标尺”就是能让你的生活免于经济压力的收入。影响幸福感的是你身背债务或者总是要等着发工资勉强维持生活这样子。

[–]RaptorsKawhiGotUsNow 253 指标 6小时前

yea quotes like this are annoying to people living paycheck to paycheck

or even people making 50-60k. Give us 100k more and ask if we aren't more happy. Give us a million and ask us we aren't more happy.

猛龙球迷：是的，就主楼这种话真的能让靠工资勉强度日的人气不打一处来。

甚至也包括那些一年挣个5-6万的人。先给我们个10万再问我们会不会更开心叭，一百万也行哦。

I get that they go through normal people shit too health wise, which was his point, but saying stuff like this is still annoying

我懂，德罗赞是说，他们也都是会遭遇健康问题的正常人，但是说这样的话还是让人不爽。

[–][DAL] Brian Cardinaldirk-41 441 指标 5小时前

Demar grew up in Compton surrounded by hardship. He had family members killed because of gang violence. You think he doesn't understand what it means to struggle to get by? He has seen the whole spectrum and still feels this way.

德罗赞成长在康普顿，被各种艰辛痛苦围绕。他有家人因帮派暴力而被杀害。你觉得他会不明白挣扎着讨生活是什么意思吗？他什么大风大浪没见过，但仍然觉得钱不是全部。

[–]HornetsGurchimo 186 指标 5小时前

fr people act like we're talking about Donald here

真格的，大家表现得好像咱在这讨论特朗普一样。

[–]Netsjorday100 103 指标 4小时前

tbh donald only got a small loan of a million dollars so i can understand his struggle too

实话实说，特朗普只获得过100万美金的小额贷款，所以我也很理解他的不容易呢。

[–]WarriorsGGAllinsMicroPenis 490 指标 5小时前

I think something that gets left out is that fame makes it worse, because you become isolated and run in increasingly insular social circles. It becomes alienating, and you can become lonely. And it's a very surreal kind of loneliness, because everyone's yelling your name, supporting you, loving you, but from a distance, like you're looking at the world through a mobile plexiglass cell.

我认为各位网友在这里忽视的一点是，名誉会让心理问题变得更糟，因为这种与世隔绝的状态会让你愈发处在一个孤立的社交圈里。你与大众逐渐疏远起来，可能会有孤独之感。这是一种非常超现实的寂寞之情，因为每个人都在大吼你的名字，支持你，爱你，但都离你很远，就像你从一个可移动的玻璃房间里看世界一样，可触不可及。

And that kind of loneliness can, in some ways, be the worst of all. It's like dying of thirst adrift on the ocean, staring at water 24 hours a day without a drop to drink.

If you're rich and nobody knows who the fuck you are there's some freedom there that NBA players and other celebs don't get to enjoy, and thus I think that kind of rich has more happy people among its ranks.

而从某些角度来讲，这种孤独感可能是最糟糕的。这就像漂浮在海上因口渴而慢慢死去，你每分每秒能看到水，却一点儿也不能喝。

如果你很富有的同时大家都不知道你jb是谁，那你就能有点自由了，这些一些NBA球员和其他明星没机会享受的自由，所以我觉得那种有钱人会更容易快乐。

[–]Raptorsjaimonee 131 指标 4小时前

Nicely put. I remember reading a quote from Bill Murray "I always want to say to people who want to be rich and famous: 'try being rich first'. See if that doesn't cover most of it. There's not much downside to being rich, other than paying taxes and having your relatives ask you for money. But when you become famous, you end up with a 24-hour job."

说得好。比尔-默瑞就有一段很有道理的话：“我一直想对那些希望变得富有和有名气的人说：‘先努力变富有吧’。然后再看看富有会不会把一切都包圆了。除了要缴一大堆税并且有亲戚等着跟你借钱，富有没啥别的糟糕之处。但你要是出名了，你最终得到的只是一份24小时无间断的工作。”

[–][BKN] Vince CarterBoogiesAchilles 6223 指标 1 天前

Having money’s not everything, not having it is

钱不是问题，没钱才是问题。

[–]RaptorsIanicRR 165 指标 4小时前

That bar will forever resonate with me because I’m broke as shit and it’s true. Not that I’m unhappy but it sure makes life a lot more stressful/difficult.

这话可以永远让我产生共鸣，因为我特么穷的一批，而且这话太对了。我倒也不是不开心啊，但是没钱确实让生活变得更加紧张/困难。

It kills me that as a high schooler is was sitting comfortably on a 15k account from working 4 years of high school and being very smart with my money. Only to be stupid and pay my entire first year of university without a salary, emptying my accounts, still needing a student loan for the other 3 years and being perpetually broke since. Damnit I should have just kept my money and gotten a stupid loan all 4 years. At least then I would have had a safety net in my account.

高中时候，我努力工作了4年，存了一万五，心里美滋滋的，理财可以说非常明智了。结果大学第一年我用这些钱把学费全交了，完全清空了自己的存款余额……而且后面的3年还一样需要借学贷，自那以后我就一直处于穷b的状态。我是真特么该留住那一万五，然后直接借四年的学生贷款的，至少这样我的账户里还会有点应急的钱。

Sorry, rant over.

发泄完了，不好意思。

[–]Knicksconfuddly 1371 指标 6小时前

I too wish everyone was rich

我也希望每个人都富有。

[–][TOR] Jose Calderondeadskin 697 指标 6小时前

If everyone is rich, then no one is

如果每个人都富有，那就等于没人富有。

[–]Celticsdfghjdfrtjhef 608 指标 6小时前

If I have a yacht, I don't give a fuck if everyone else also a has yacht

要是我能有一艘游艇，那别人有没有游艇关我屁事。

[–]BullsHarmonicon 325 指标 6小时前

until the ocean is choke full of everyone's yachts it just becomes a giant dock?

可是如果大海被每个人的游艇挤得满满当当的，变成一个巨型码头，那你还这么想嘛？

[–]Celticsdfghjdfrtjhef 392 指标 6小时前

Who cares, I have a yacht

关我屁事，反正我有一艘游艇。

[–][CHA] Malik MonkBizGilwalker 329 指标 6小时前

This comment section went about as well as I expected it to

评论区果然和我想的一样。

[–]klawhileonard 180 指标 4小时前

ITT: I’m poor and want to be rich. DeMar is spoiled. Give me money

这个帖子里的评论总结一下：我很穷，想有钱。德罗赞就是矫情。打钱打钱！

[–][PHI] Markelle FultzDutchEnglish[] 226 指标 6小时前*

The sad reality about this thread is the fact that no one understands how depression or any type of mental health problem works just based off the comments.

这个帖子比较可悲的一点是，根据评论来看，没人理解抑郁症或者其他任何类型的心理疾病到底是怎么回事。

If you have a mental health problem while people view and treat you like a cash cow while stating “hOw CaN yOu bE sAd? YoU’rE rIcH!” as if someone who is mentally unwell is supposed to be like “Oh yeah!”. As if they aren’t trying to force themselves to love their lives already.

要是你有心理问题，而别人却只是把你当做摇钱树并认为“哎呀你怎么可能难过的嘛？你这么有钱啊！”那难道你应该说“是啊是啊”？有心理问题的人已经在拼尽全力让自己稍微有那么一点点热爱生活了。

I mean it’s fucking disgusting and shows how little mental illness is cared about. Yeah have chemical imbalances in your brain but hey money cures it all! As if the idea of killing yourself goes away when someone tells you that you should be happy and that you should be grateful for a life that they never lived and that they don’t understand.

评论区里这样说是真的令人恶心，这也体现了大众对心理疾病真的不怎么关注。大脑化学物质不平衡是特么金钱就能治愈的？难道只要有人告诉你，你应该感觉快乐并感激生活，因为这个生活他们没机会享受也没机会理解，你自杀的念头就突然之间灰飞烟灭了？

DeMar probably has people trying to use him in every way and it’s probably been that way since he was 14. People all day talk shit to him and focus on negative shit more than positive but its cool because he’s rich. I swear to God it amazes me how much people bullshit themselves into believing that when you’re rich problems go away.

德罗赞的身边可能充满了想利用他的人，或许是从他14岁就一直这样了。人们整天对着德罗赞喷粪，更多地关注消极而非积极的部分，因为德罗赞有钱所以这一切就没问题了？这么多人自欺欺人地以为有钱就代表生活中的问题都会消失，真的惊到我了。

NBA Owners Reportedly Want Access to Players' Mental Health Records

据报道，一些NBA老板想要有权限获得球员的心理健康病历。

[–][DAL] Dennis Rodmanwonderboy0 1109 指标 9小时前

I understand the logic but this seems like a massive misuse of power

我可以理解其中的逻辑，但是这似乎是权力的巨大滥用啊。

[–]Spursonamonapizza 492 指标 7小时前

It's a double-edged sword. Franchises are giving these guys tens (and in some cases, hundreds) of millions of dollars, so on one hand, they are just trying to protect their investment.

双刃剑。球队要付给球员们几千万（有时是上亿）美元，所以从一方面讲，他们只是在努力确保自己的投资能有预期的回报。

On the other hand, the conversation about mental health in the NBA is finally getting some air underneath it, and something like this could completely derail the movement. Players aren't going to be honest and open if they feel like it will put their job on the line.

而换个角度看，最近NBA关于心理健康的讨论终于有点温度了，但是如果该报道为真，这样的举动会完全毁了NBA的心理健康革命。要是球员们觉得坦诚相待会危及工作，那他们就会憋着不说了。

[–]BubbaTee 389 指标 6小时前

If teams want to conduct their own psych interviews and screenings with free agents or potential draft picks, that's fine. But looking at a player's private mental health records without consent is unacceptable.

如果球队想要与自由球员或潜在新秀进行自己的心理访谈和分析，那没问题。但是在未经同意的情况下查看球员的私人心理健康病历是不可接受的。

Also, these players are committing to multi-year contracts - by that same logic, why shouldn't they get the mental health records of the team's owner and GM? I'm sure there would've been things in Donald Sterling's history that players might've found interesting.

此外，这些球员承诺签订多年合同——那按照同样的逻辑，他们为什么不能获得球队老板和经理的心理健康病历呢？我确信唐纳德-斯特林（前快船老板）的病历中肯定会有让球员们觉得有丶意思的东西哦。

[–][GSW] Zarko CabarkapaIAmNotKevinDurant_35 106 指标 8小时前

NBA Players Association: "HA NOOO"

NBA球员工会：“哈哈哈哈没门！”

[–][OKC] Terrance Fergusoncaptainsausagetits 595 指标 9小时前

If true, players won't want to seek help from organisations for mental health issues, fear of being traded etc. Pretty fucked

要是这个报道是真的，那球员们就不会想从俱乐部那里获得关于心理健康问题的帮助了，因为他们会担心自己被交易等等。挺操蛋的。

[–]Lakersshayaaa 183 指标 6小时前

Similar to airline pilots... Pilots can't be diagnosed with any mental health issues or they can't work, so in turn they avoid seeking the help they need and then you get some real unfortunate disasters.

类似于飞行员……如果飞行员被诊断出任何心理健康问题，他们就无法继续飞了，所以反过来，飞行员们会避免寻求他们所需的帮助以保住自己的工作，然后灾难就会随之而生了。

[–]NBAmypepperplantsdie 179 指标 8小时前

If this is truly about making sure players are healthy and getting the support they need, there is no need to have their records. There are other ways to make sure guys are getting the professional/medical support they may need.

Maybe it’s the pessimist in me but I feel it would only lead to some kind of negative bias against players.

如果老板们确实是为了确保球员健康并让他们获得所需的支持，那他们其实不必拥有球员的心理健康病历，还有其他方法可以确保球员们获得可能需要的专业/医疗支持。

也许这是我的悲观看法，但我觉得查看球员的心理健康病历只会产生对球员的某种负面偏见。

I know the sporting world is different but in most cases an employer needing or having access to mental history records is just plain absurd.

我知道体育界有点不一样，但是在大多数情况下，雇主需要或者可以获得雇员的心理健康病历都是完全不可理喻的。