In the 1980s, under the persistent exploration of Comrade Deng Xiaoping, our country decided to pilot reform and opening up. This bold move not only shocked the Chinese people, but also surprised other countries in the world.

In the 1980s, under the persistent exploration of Comrade Deng Xiaoping, our country decided to pilot reform and opening up . This bold move not only shocked the Chinese people, but also surprised other countries in the world.

Under the repeated requests of foreign media reporters, Deng Xiaoping agreed to accept his interview.

This foreign media reporter is not simple. He is known as the "world's number one female reporter" and the "mother of international political interviews". Her language is sharp, and the questions asked in the interview are always very tricky and sharp, which has caused headaches for politicians from all over the world. No more.

This time, she was no exception when interviewing Deng Xiaoping. She deliberately made things difficult for Deng Xiaoping and asked: " You are so capable, why are you always the second-in-command? "

When she heard this question, the translator on the side nervously squeezed it. Khan, Deng Xiaoping smiled and said something, and took the matter through, successfully resolving the embarrassment. What did Deng Xiaoping say?

pic丨Deng Xiaoping and female reporter

famous female reporter, brave, bold, straightforward and sharp

In 1978, my country officially implemented the reform and opening up policy. This policy was proposed by Deng Xiaoping, and it is very bold and novel.

If the implementation can be successful, it will undoubtedly be the turning point of China's social development . However, once it fails, it means that is very easy to be labeled as the capitalist , and China's future development will be greatly affected.

"Isn't development just about crossing the river by feeling the stones?" Deng Xiaoping, who was brave enough to explore, made this decision resolutely, and no one else dared to think about it.

It was this decision that caused a big storm in the international community, and also attracted a famous female reporter in the international community at that time - Farage.

The reason why Farage stands out among many reporters is because of her brave and bold personality and straightforward interview style.

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929, born in Florence , Farach was deeply influenced by his father when he was young and often participated in some anti-fascist activities.

. She has personally experienced World War II . She hates war . At the same time, she lives in such an environment, and has the perseverance and courage that ordinary people do not have, so she never fears any authority.

In the religious country of Iran , women have low social status. When Farage went to interview Iranian religious leader Khomeini , because of gender, must wear a veil in accordance with local rules to meet Huo Meny.

At first, Farage expressed his confusion about this and refused the request many times. However, due to religious beliefs, if she did not wear a veil, she would not be able to meet other religious leaders of . In desperation, she had to wear veil on and walked into Khomeini's office.

Do you think she compromised? Of course not. After entering the office, she, who had an independent consciousness and a spirit of resistance, did not care about the eyes of others, and boldly took off the veil in front of Khomeini, which shocked everyone present.

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Some people say that she is an act of disrespecting the customs of other countries , but some people say that it is precisely people who are as bold as her and dare to challenge authority to break the various existences in today's society. To pursue an equal and more advanced social environment.

is not only bold and direct and without any scruples, but also Farage can accurately grasp the topics that people pay wide attention to and the questions raised by can be said to be incisive.

Once interviewed Vietnamese Prime Minister , Farage constantly asked Prime Minister Nguyen Vanshao against the topic of "its president is the most corrupt person in Vietnam" circulating in society. In the end, Nguyen Vanshao had to do anything. I explained my family background clearly.

When interviewing US Secretary of State Kissinger, Farage asked questions about the tug-of-war , which cost a lot of money, but has no meaning.

Due to Farage's strong offensive round after round, Kissinger had to admit that the decision at that time was a very stupid mistake.

Picture丨Farage

has fought for many times, interview opportunities are hard to come by

Farage's interview style has always been sharp and direct, and everyone knows this. It is precisely because of the straightforward words and never going around the bush. During the interview, inevitably leads people to an awkward scene.

If the interviewee does not have super high emotional intelligence and adaptability , it will be difficult to become a pleasant and successful interview.

After the implementation of the reform and opening up decision, Farach keenly captured that the core of the leader of this policy was Deng Xiaoping. So, she was curious about Deng Xiaoping and the unknown China, so she submitted an application to our country many times to interview Deng Xiaoping.

However, every application for has been rejected by our government. This is not because we don’t want to disclose information to the outside world, but at that time, after all, it was the early stage of the implementation of my country’s reform and opening up policy.

First of all, is facing a series of problems to be solved in China . Secondly, this decision is under considerable international pressure.

Picture丨Deng Xiaoping

Farage As the most sharp and brave female reporter, will undoubtedly not let go of these points that people care about the most and controversial.

If the question she raised is too tricky, Deng Xiaoping failed to answer it perfectly, is not only not conducive to establishing good confidence in the implementation of domestic policies, but also not conducive to China's firm foothold in the international community. It has a great impact on the country's image and future. development.

Even so, rejecting it again and again did not make Farage give up and interviewed Deng Xiaoping's idea. So she still looks for various opportunities to try to interview Deng Xiaoping.

Coincidentally, in September 1980, the Italian president came to visit China, and Farage's father and the president were good friends, so Farage asked the Italian president to seek another chance for interview for himself.

That's it, With the "guarantee" of the Italian president, our country agreed to the interview.

Picture丨Deng Xiaoping

has conquered reporters and won wide praise

This interview is undoubtedly a war without gunpowder. What sharp questions will Farage ask, and can Deng Xiaoping give a good answer?

There are many celebrities interviewed by Farage, but is not the majority of . She is very curious about this leader in China.

However, facts have proved that Deng Xiaoping's super high emotional intelligence and flexible adaptability have enabled him to win the recognition of reporter Farage with his own strength.

After the interview, Farage gave Deng Xiaoping high praise without modesty.

She said: "No one of the world leaders interviewed can talk about historical issues as frankly and in-depth as Deng Xiaoping. He went beyond personal grievances and talked about historical issues, and he talked deeply. Deng Xiaoping is an outstanding person. The character. ”

pic丨Deng Xiaoping

Farage, who has always been strong on all occasions, also gave a highly praised summary of this interview. This interview with Deng Xiaoping is her entire career as a reporter. The most successful one.

In September of the same year, Farage sincerely sent a letter of thanks to Beijing, thanking China for being willing to give her such an opportunity.

At the end of the thank you letter, Farage once again expressed his admiration to Deng Xiaoping: "Interview with you is my longing wish. I used to worry that language barriers would hinder the realization of this wish. Now it seems that this worry is redundant .”

So, during the interview, what did Deng Xiaoping say and conquered this female journalist who dominating the political circle?

pic丨Farach

interview officially began, experts competed for

August 21, 1980, In Great Hall of the People , Farage's exclusive interview with Deng Xiaoping kicked off.

When the official interview began, there were only 5 people in the conference hall, including Deng Xiaoping, Farage, as well as the news director, translator and recorder. Farage put the tape recorder she carried with her on the coffee table, turned on the switch, and the interview officially began.

Farage has done his homework for this rare interview. She cleverly started with her blessing to Deng Xiaoping: " Tomorrow is your birthday. I want to congratulate you and wish you a happy birthday! "

And Deng Xiaoping, the great man, focused all his energy on the development of the cause of New China and did not remember his birthday at all. He replied: " is tomorrow my birthday? I never care about when it's my birthday. ”

This surprised Farage, but this did not stump her. She told Deng Xiaoping that this was the information she got from her biography.

Picture丨Deng Xiaoping

Later Farage wanted to talk about the topic again, It was introduced to Deng Xiaoping's personal biography, but obviously, Deng Xiaoping has his own ideas and does not want to waste too much words on the biography.

So he cleverly changed the topic: "Even if it is, don't congratulate me, I'm already 76 It’s time to be recession! "This self-deprecating speech highlighted Deng Xiaoping's very friendly and easy-going attitude, and did not show off his leader's airs at all.

This made Farage couldn't help but think of her father of the same age, so he said : " My father He is also 76 years old. If I want to tell him this, he will definitely slap me twice in the face. "

Deng Xiaoping also echoed: "Of course I can't say that to your father! "'s short words eased the originally serious and tense atmosphere.

Obviously, Farage didn't want to relax. Then, she began a series of questions, and the first question was- How to evaluate Mao Zedong?

Picture丨Farach

Farach mentioned: During the development of Beijing, Chairman Mao's portraits gradually decreased, but only the portrait hanging at the entrance of the Forbidden City. He asked Deng Xiaoping , I wonder if this portrait of Chairman Mao will be retained in the future?

, a misleading method of asking questions, I don’t know, I think Mao Zedong’s position in people’s hearts has declined, but this is not the case.

Deng Xiaoping responded without hesitation when facing the reporter's question: "History will be retained forever. "

"In the past, Chairman Mao seemed to be unserious. After all, he was the main creator of the Communist Party of China and the of the People's Republic of China. From the perspective of the feelings of our Chinese people, we will always commemorate him as the creator of our party and country. "

And this is just a small beginning of Franky, and the subsequent questions are becoming more and more tricky. The second question raised by Franky is: " Some people in the West say you are Khrushchev of China! What do you think about this? ”

Picture丨Chairman Mao’s portrait

This question is very reckless, but it conforms to Farage’s personality. Deng Xiaoping, who heard this question, did not look offended at all, but was very open-minded and open-minded.

He is a big deal. Smiling and said, "In the West, it doesn't matter what others call it, but In the past few years of my dealings with Khrushchev, I compared me to Khrushchev, and is undoubtedly a kind of Stupid behavior ”

Next, Deng Xiaoping listed all the mistakes Khrushchev made in political management. For example, interrupting aid projects, interfering in China's internal affairs, and building military bases in China, all reflect the recklessness of their behavior everywhere.

But for Khrushchev, Farach indeed held a respectful attitude. Deng Xiaoping also discovered during the discussion that the two of them had completely different views on Khrushchev, and it was meaningless to continue to discuss.

pic丨Khrushchev

answered calmly and handed over the perfect answer to the world

So Deng Xiaoping changed the topic in time and said, "It seems that we can't reach an agreement on this issue. is like this, you keep your point of view, I keep mine, let’s not talk about Khrushchev. ”

Farach was also very tactful, so he took advantage of Deng Xiaoping’s words to start the next topic - The issue of reform and opening up that people in the world are most interested in today.

This decision involved some management methods of capitalism, so Farage first asked tentatively: " Do you think capitalism is not all bad? "

When Farage raised this extremely sensitive question Afterwards, the remaining three people present were nervous and were worried. If is not answered well, it will undoubtedly be detrimental to China's international image.

But Deng Xiaoping is not an ordinary person. His years of precipitation have enabled him to answer this question cleverly. Through this interview, he showed the world China's firm confidence and attitude.

Figure丨Farach

First of all, Deng Xiaoping first explained the facts: capitalism is indeed much superior to feudalism, but does not mean that there are no advantages in feudalism, nor does it mean that there are no shortcomings in capitalism.

This decision to reform and opening up draws on the advantages of capitalist management , such as: advanced technology and management methods.

Deng Xiaoping clearly stated: " good things are not class-oriented and are something that any society and any country should learn. "

At the end, he also expressed the current situation of China: our country is in the first stage of socialism, so In this initial stage, you must not be rushing to achieve success, but take your time down-to-earth.

At the same time, when pursuing national interests, we must not forget to pay attention to the individual interests of the people. must combine these things in order to mobilize the enthusiasm of the people and develop socialism well.

Picture丨Deng Xiaoping

This sudden sensitive issue, Deng Xiaoping clearly organized and clearly explained the reasons for my country's decision. This impeccable answer, successfully made Farage admire Deng Xiaoping.

So, Farach shifted his focus to Deng Xiaoping's personal . She asked about Deng Xiaoping's previous experience of three ups and three downs because she was very puzzled by this.

. Deng Xiaoping calmly answered this question: "Why do I get up and down in ? It is because I like to tell the truth. " The raising of the question of

is undoubtedly a bit offensive. Fortunately, our Deng Xiaoping is ours He has a broad mind and smiled at this and answered calmly.

" You speak and speak the same way, and it is always the case, but it is rare in the world that a person survives three or three times and survives . Many leaders may have only one or two or two times. Click again, two or two or two times. . "

Picture丨Farage

" Even the leader of that year, Napoleon , only one after another, , but you have experienced three or three times. Not only did you not hit and you, but you were resurrected in the end , is there any secret in this? "

Farage continued to ask sharp questions without any hesitation at all, nor did he feel anything wrong with .

Deng Xiaoping seemed at ease about Farage's step-by-step pressing. He smiled and replied, "What's the secret of ? Sometimes they think I'm a little useful... Foreign friends often ask me, how can I do it? Having experienced so many ups and downs."

" I think because I am optimistic in my personal personality, but this is not very comprehensive. The comprehensive answer of is: Because I know Chairman Mao knows me. "

But unexpectedly, Farage did not mean to restrain himself, but then asked: "But Chairman Mao does not like you, He said you have bad ears, but he always picks the farthest away from him during meetings. I sit in the position, and don’t ask him about his opinion , and do whatever he wants. "

Picture丨Chairman Mao

In the eyes of outsiders, there may be some contradictions and barriers in the behaviors of Mao Zedong and Deng Xiaoping, But in fact, this is not the case, Deng Xiaoping knows it well.

So he laughed, He replied: “He said this, but it was not for me alone. ” These are the mutual supervision of revolutionary comrades, in order to urge each other to make continuous progress.

Later, Farage asked Deng Xiaoping a series of questions, and Deng Xiaoping also explained to her the Communists, the revolutionary style of willingness to endure hardship, and A series of glorious deeds achieved along the way.

However, Deng Xiaoping did not mention his contribution to the country at all. Farage felt a little puzzled and blurted out: " Since there are so many outstanding revolutionaries, I have obtained With such outstanding results, what about you? Why didn't it be mentioned? "

Deng Xiaoping replied: ", I'm nothing. Of course, I've always done something revolutionary, so how can I not do anything? ”

pic丨Deng Xiaoping

Farage asked a tricky question, Deng Xiaoping cleverly brought

Deng Xiaoping always answered her every tricky question raised by Farage, The two of them went back and forth, just like that, I wonder if it was not. It was time to separate.

But it was obvious that Farage was still unsatisfied with this interview. Even though the interview had ended in time, , she continued to ask Deng Xiaoping, after all, this opportunity was so rare.

Finally, she I blurted out without thinking and asked a question, which made everyone present feel embarrassed. The question is: " Mr. Deng, why is an excellent person like you always in the position of second-in-command? Why do you always act as a deputy at work? "

. For Deng Xiaoping, there is no need to answer this question at all. But out of politeness, he still answered to Farage: "History position in has not affected my work. ”

took this embarrassing question in one fell swoop, jumped out of the whole question, opened the pattern, and passed it perfectly.

pic丨Deng Xiaoping

When the interview ended, it was already 12:10, and originally planned to be two hours. The interview even lasted more than 10 minutes.

Deng Xiaoping also noticed that Farage had many things that were not mentioned in this interview, so he took the initiative to invite him and said, "How about ? It’s time to eat, and your stomach is about to make a revolution. It seems that your question has not been finished yet. Let’s find time to talk about it again! "

Farage was very excited when she heard this sentence. She almost jumped up from the sofa like a little girl, her face filled with surprise. She requested the interview twice, but she never got it. Approval.

Now, the protagonist actually gave him this opportunity in person, and she was undoubtedly very happy. Later, on the morning of August 23, Deng Xiaoping accepted Farage's second interview, which lasted for two More than an hour.

. In this conversation, Farage was obviously not as aggressive as the first time. She asked questions more about the things she was curious about. The focus of this conversation was Chairman Mao and the current international situation.

Picture丨Deng Xiaoping and Farage

At the end of the final interview, Deng Xiaoping shook hands with him and said goodbye, and at the same time, he also said jokingly: "How about ? I passed the exam, right? "

, and Farage nodded frequently, He praised him and said, "It's so wonderful!"

These two 4-hour interviews allowed Deng Xiaoping to successfully gain a small fan, , and Deng Gong's words in the interview were also successful Show the world China's determination and confidence.

Taking advantage of this interview, Deng Xiaoping also promoted the excellent style of our party to the world, indicating that our country's future is bright!