"About World of Tanks" Lorraine 50t: A combination of contradictions? really balanced

Ugly words at the front

In the current environment, "very balanced" is not a compliment, and to some extent a derogatory term.

There are two more token exchange vehicles in this issue, one is Cobra from Great Britain, and the other is 50 tons of Lorraine from Gaul.

Lorraine 50t [Lv.9 F Series HT]

Today, let's start with this guy who looks more conventional. If you haven't exchanged this car or are undecided, maybe we This article can give you some reference.

Let's talk about this new French car, a new member of the Lorraine family. Oh, Lorraine is 100,000 jin. Although it is not very heavy, it can be regarded as a new height of the Lorraine family. To be honest, I don't. I thought WG would come out like this, but... according to their ideas, maybe this guy is normal and interesting? At least he should look like a grade 9 toy, anyway, they didn't consider the audience of this car, maybe they also considered the number of possessions of this thing.

but...18 tokens...is that a bit harsh?

Is it expensive because it is new? Is it true that everyone has no concept of value for money?

DPM is the data that tanksgg put in the first column and first row from the left, and it is also shown in bold. The car, for example, when I understand that this is a French tier 9 heavy tank with a 120mm gun, you show me such a DPM, at a light level it will be unpleasant, at a heavy level, it will cause nausea, you What's up with DPM? Although I understand that such a DPM is not really a big deal in the French heavy tank, 50120 and Cannon 1951 are both such DPMs, but the problem is that the 50120 is a magazine car, as long as the DPM is not too low, it is nothing, cannon 1951 was originally an unconventional choice, and the data made it clear that it wanted you to play small cannons.But you don't have a choice for 100,000 pounds. Your single shot is not very good at level 9. It can only be said that it is okay, but your rate of fire really makes me unable to hold back... What is this for? Is it for this single shot? But with such a tall guy in a car of the same class, who is the one with the deep penetration like you? Who the hell did you get this gun from? How could it be even lower than the penetration depth of the two colleagues at the same level in your own family? Or are you just planning to be a "popular kid" fit for a silver bullet? It would be better if your silver bullet speed could exceed 1150m/s, unfortunately not, but still enough for heavy tanks.

Oh, in this case, I want to introduce you to the WZ114 of the Chinese department, and he thought so too at the beginning! But I hope you don't go and learn from his dross! Yes, you are not as miserable as him, and the fire control is enough at medium and close range, so can you tell me who you learned the speed of shrinking the circle from? That guy can't move his hips because he's stretched three times, and you can't shrink the circle, so you have to move less. Both of you have good accuracy, but the problem is that you can't finish the circle at all, so what's the use of you?

So, on the premise that your fire control can't carry your gun, your gun is not very useful? Could it be that you grew up eating to help? 114 next door also thought so, and finally he completed the tribute to Yu Hua 's " Xu Sanduo Selling Blood ", which novel are you going to pay tribute to? Dumas' "The Queen's Necklace"?

I know some people say "firepower is sacrificed for maneuver", yes, I admit, if everything else is ok, it's really worth it if it's better With such a sacrifice, you ask me why? First of all, this thing has the same data fraud as the 50120, but it is not as serious. Even if this thing is hard ground, it will run in the early 50s, far from being as exaggerated as the 60s, but it is really good for a heavy tank. The thrust-to-weight ratio of the is also okay, although the engine horsepower does not exceed a thousand,But Xiaojiubai can indeed make a body that starts at 50 tons have such a considerable thrust-to-weight ratio. I can only say that I thank him for his weight instead of his engine. My suggestion is to go to the second dimension and import Japanese engines. Or import a German engine in the dream of the German club. Isn't your 50B just getting into the world built by some stall article and getting an engine that is so powerful that the Maybachs of our world in the 1950s shouted miracles? Then, the track coefficient of this thing, yes, this guy's track coefficient is better than 50120 and 1951, but if you really want to compare it with serious high-speed heavy tanks, you are better than the vz51 next door. Some, compared to the two giants in the red world, you are just a hook. I really hope that his track coefficient can be directly compared to 80,000 jin. After all, your body and suspension are directly copied from 80,000 jin. I think it's very reasonable to use it. By the way, is your turn being poisoned? Although enough is enough, I still want to ask, who poisoned your steering so that you can't show the amazing steering? I think it's important for him to have a turn that's so strong that the mid-tank is ashamed to see it, you can see it by looking down.

Lorraine 100,000 jin, you have a big depression angle, and your turret is very hard. I admire you very much, but I think you are a 50-ton heavy tank. Dezi's side is a medium tank (the centurion and E-50 I'm talking about you two), so... so your hull armor is also directly targeting the medium tank? The medium tank you are targeting is still the source of your main body - Lorraine 80,000 jin, oh my god, you are good at benchmarking against other people's, you are benchmarking against this? Without that maneuver, it was mixed with such body armor? Are you still going a step further on the basis of his height? TCB turret is a good thing, although you have listened to WG's opinion and modified your mantlet model so that your weak points have become more, although there are no rules like the original version, and the thickness is thinner than the original , the small reward is to reduce the original two roof protrusions to one, but the towering is still towering, the original design of TCB is like this,There's no need to say anything dissatisfied, oh, TCB is already big enough, this is good, let's think of Japanese fat houses, they also have a very good depression angle, but they are very tall, and they are not like the 4005. The position of the gun is not in the turret The center is relatively high, I can only say that this depression angle is a small compensation for you.

The rest is nothing to say...

Except for the fact that the field of view is only 380m, I am full of question marks.

20% fire rate is just fine, it doesn't matter.

are all TCB turrets. What is the difference between 100,000 jin and the TCB turrets used in 1951 and 1954?

The 100,000-pound TCB turret actually gives me the feeling that I have experienced AP30, ah, it is the thing of the early prototype of AMX 30 that appeared in the marathon before, just that turret, I should have learned the design essence of that turret After making some changes, what is the biggest difference between AP30 and 30 original and 30B turrets? The answer is that there are sharp edges and corners, and there are few rounded places, as if the faces are connected to each other in order not to make rounded modeling.

Ahem, sorry for digressing, let's take a look at the difference in the frontal armor model of the turret between the two. Let's compare the 1951 with 100,000 pounds.

turret front of AMX M4 1951

turret front of Lorraine 50t

As you can see there is a big difference in model between the two and it seems to some extent Speaking of the above, the 100,000-pound turret is still an improved version of the TCB turret. The protrusion at the top of the turret is reduced to one, which is the command tower.

The shape of a single wheel does have some advantages of 100,000 pounds. As you can see, although the proportion of the frontal area of ​​its rearward extension is larger than that of 1951,However, it also maintains a large angle. The thickness is not as high as that of 1951, but the difference in effect is not large. Except for an inexplicable frontal angle in the lower left part of the turret, the triangle area cannot even reach 50°. When I got to this place, I had a feeling of "Hey look, I found evidence that WG employees are working and fishing".

Specifically, the gun mantlet, the gun mantlet is the most different place between the two. If it is different, let me show you the side view. Let's combine the front view of the above to see it. I understand.

AMX M4 1951 turret side view

Lorraine 50t turret side view

It's the same outside the turret, it's not glued to the turret like in 1951. This is a very good design. The mantlet itself is calculated according to the gap armor, and both are single-layer hollow mantlets with 0mm main armor behind the mantlet. , This is a nightmare design for HEAT, because after HEAT penetrates the non-main armor module, the shell will continue to fly along the original trajectory in the form of a jet, but every 10cm of flight will reduce the original penetration depth by 5%, based on this There is also the corresponding equivalent penetration depth value that is consumed in order to penetrate the mantlet, so even if the back is 0mm, there is no need to worry, it is indeed safer than the 1951, plus the mantlet of 100,000 pounds The shape is sharper, and there are almost no hidden dangers left by the arc surface of 1951, which makes his central protection ability of the gun mantlet far exceeds that of 1951. Even the side of the mantlet is stronger than the enemy, because the gun of 100,000 kg is stronger. The side of the shield is also slanted, rather than the 1951 oval column that seems to be truncated in half, making his mantlet more powerful.

But... how do I say...

is the thickness that finally becomes the king, 100,000 jin is the ability to compete with the orthodox TCB turret of 1951 by the shape design, in fact, except for the weakness in the middle of the gun mantlet He didn't, and the rest should have,And it is even more serious, because the base thickness of 100,000 jin is not enough, the lower left plate of the turret, the connection between the top of the gun mantlet and the roof armor that is not covered by the gun mantlet, and the lower part of the gun mantlet are all the same. Basically, you need a 320. Can fight. In my opinion, it is understandable that a tier 9 heavy tank like yours has so many weaknesses. Look at the T95, who claims to be invincible in the world. He is not full of flaws, but they are very small. ? 100,000 jin is also, there are many flaws, but it is small enough, but the strong place is really not strong, it is more than the side-to-side advantage of the gun mantlet I just mentioned, 1951 is 160~190, you are 250~260... the same It's half a catty in front of the level, but 1951 has more opportunities for and small pot friends. The thickness of

1951 is really pure 300. In World of Tanks, no matter how good the shape is, nothing will work without a sufficient thickness. Both sides have an equivalent bonus brought by a certain angle. ,And you? 320 is more than just entry, 320 can make you cry, as long as 300 is not too outrageous, it is enough to cure you, unless the gunner in the opposite car suffers from Parkinson's, or his shell is a slingshot for shooting birds. Throw it out, and it's just based on both of you pressing the maximum depression angle.

What kind of advantages can be used that cannot be guaranteed by the basics?

It stands to reason that this kind of maneuverability is great and can be sold well. Anything that can be sold can be said.

If you can really do that kind of low pressure game and there is no pressure on the opposite side, then you can. It's better to slow down the pace so that you can make more money. IMHO, the last one was completely for the answer of the version. The raw guy has proven to be a fool's car with no caps.

It's nice to have mobility, but the question is - what are you going to do with that mobility? There is no problem in rushing up to find a spot to get stuck, just like those heavy assault tanks, relying on high mobility to get to the position first and then punch the guy on the opposite side first, there is no problem, but the problem is that your body is fragile. , although the body of other assault heavy tanks is also fragile, but do you think about which other assault heavy tanks have your height?

Generally speaking, this kind of assault heavy tank is usually the main force's auxiliary in the main force duel,It's the one who eats the meat. As a meat eater, you have to eat fast and hard, so the question is, which one do you fit in with 100,000 pounds? Your DPM makes people anxious, your penetration is not very high, if you say that you have an excellent gun control like the vz51 and a magazine gun with a fast reload speed, then I have nothing to say, the problem is You don't, what do you have? It's a turret.

Oh, when you think about it, isn't this a perfect combination of the advantages of assault heavy tanks and main heavy tanks? Not only can you rush, but you can also sell your head to match the card with others. It is normal to sacrifice fire control and firepower for this. I think you are not the kind of Emile II that is not embarrassing to go out and look at each other even if you are still loading. Someone who wears 300 deep will be tempted to hit you. You said that you will go up after you have loaded it up. It is like the game of the conqueror. The game of others is based on the first hand, can you? Also, his DPM is not as bad as yours, he is one level higher than you in terms of penetration depth and rate of fire! Not to mention the Americans with higher penetrations. If you want to learn from the Swedes, you don't have that kind of armor. If you want to learn from the British and American brothers, you don't have the skills. The rest is "I run fast"? and then? Gone? You run fast. Are you going to the middle tank line to install the big tail wolf? It's not impossible, but I want to remind you that your maneuverability is not as flexible as that of a medium tank. Even if you are a Japanese, you can take advantage of your space if you leave some snacks.

Only the turret and maneuvering are actually good to say, the key point is to talk about only the turret. It is not a big problem to use key protection for a heavy tank. The turret protection is good, and the body protection is poor. You are not the only one who is in the middle. , but if you want to find the most excessive one, it is indeed you, why is it you? With such a tall body, you can be considered a crispy car body with a level 8 medium tank, but if you drive a little forward, it will be miserable. Do you remember playing lions when you were young? Why is it that you are selling your head, but you find that the opposite side hits your car body? It's very simple, your depression angle is good, but you are tall, but if you think you can't hit anyone, you have to stick out a little, I'm afraid your car body will come into the eyes of the other side, which will make their eyes brighter and more What's more, sometimes you don't even need to stick out of the car body. If the lower part of your turret is exposed, you will be severely tortured by 300+. Kinetic bombs are not afraid of your mantlet, and chemical bombs are not afraid of your angle. What everyone is worried about is your thickness. It's a pity that you don't have the thickness. The 1951 has only flaws in the design. Your improved design also has the armor removed by 50mm so that your car can't weigh more than 60 tons.Because your suspension is fully loaded with 57 tons, the final weight of your vehicle is 53 tons to 55 tons. This is all for the sake of your maneuverability.

Some people will ask, whether the upper limit is created by firepower or maneuvering, I say in fact, both, maneuvering can give you opportunities, and firepower will use this opportunity, and fire control will help firepower seize it. Opportunity, giving you a maneuver is to let you take the initiative, but even if you can take the initiative to find opportunities, once the remaining things on the opposite side are things that your firepower and fire control can't bear, then in the end you will not be able to set a high upper limit. On the contrary, it is still possible to die directly, unless the clip gun you use can take a life with a little sacrifice at a critical moment.

Lorraine's 100,000 jins gave us a new idea...

1954 This line is quite embarrassing. It looks like it should be the main heavy tank. , that should be supporting heavy tanks. Wearing deep wood has low damage and fire control is not top-notch, but you can use armor to crush children, but now there are so many things to enjoy the wealth code specified in the version, and it is not a turn. If you go to shine yourself, if you have to change to a cannon with higher damage to find another way, the end result will only be futile, and it will still not be on the table.

But the appearance of 100,000 jin has given us a new idea - if we can't roll heavy tanks, can we go to medium tanks? In other words, fighting against heavy tanks is secondary, and fighting against medium tanks is the main thing. Wouldn’t it be better to change it like this? Not only can the assault heavy tank feel more at ease with its high-quality firepower and the opposing heavy tank arm wrestling, the medium tank does not have to worry about lack of big brother, if the high-mobility heavy tank is this way, I think it is very good, mainly It is because there is really a shortage of heavy tanks to deal with medium tanks. If the assault heavy tanks are used concurrently, it is a bull's knife for killing chickens, which is not only wasteful but also inappropriate.

As for things like poor body protection, not high enough HP, and not enough penetration depth, I think it can be kept as a balance point or something. It's best that the damage shouldn't be too high. It must be something like that in a heavy tank. The degree of inconspicuousness shows that it can sell well and the rate of fire cannot be too slow. At least the DPM has to be guaranteed. If the fire control is strengthened, it can be used at medium distances. It is best to support the vision, at least At the same level as the mid-tank level,Strengthen the maneuvering. The thrust-to-weight ratio can be less than 20, but the steering and crawler coefficients must be learned from 277 and 260. When there is a lack of medium tanks, you can grab the opposite medium tanks to make the opposite side also lack medium tanks. Sell ​​your head to lure the enemy to play or something, as long as it's not a high-intensity laning, I think it's not bad, including the -7 line, I also think I should roll the middle tank instead of looking at the heavy tank Sima Face, grab a point of a hammer, it is enough to run with everyone to grab a point of a hammer, at most, grab points instead of grab points.

It seems that for WG, the inside of the medium tank is already enough, and it will be very uncomfortable to have another heavy tank to form a natural advantage, so so far, there is no heavy tank specially designed to deal with the medium tank, the M5Y can only be said to be An attempt to transform a heavy tank into a tank is really not a heavy tank that specializes in dealing with medium tanks. Those assault heavy tanks are more suitable for hitting hard bones and leading heavy tanks to chug instead of trying to catch medium tanks.

So it's entirely WG's problem to say that 100,000 pounds will become what it is today... I want everyone to break their heads for the early adopters, and I don't want the early adopters to destroy other people's game experience. No, but considering that nine gold and nine specials have just started, apart from concept 1B, only AE 1 can give players a thumbs up. Concept 1B can only be said to be a setback when the concept of the supremacy of prizes is expanded to level 9. , and AE 1 is a general who stands out among countless short and poor. When the lineup of Jiujinjiute is expanded to a certain extent, presumably 100,000 Jin will turn over hand in hand with 114 and Strv K and sing.

Next story

TCB turret and his true adaptor

There are already three TCB turret users in the game, one is AMX-M4 1954 and one is AMX- M4 1951, and the other is the Lorraine 50t we are talking about today.

Let's talk about the origins of these three first:

AMX-M4 1954's name is fictitious, and the car is also fictitious. The body is derived from two historical schemes. The turret is the familiar TCB turret.The body is derived from a thickening scheme for the AMX-M4 heavy tank proposed in the early 1950s. In that scheme, the frontal thickness of the AMX-M4 was really increased to 280mm, yes, pure thickness! Santoku called the expert! The main thing is that you can't give him an AMX-M4 1949 turret, right? This is also not suitable, so I gave a TCB turret, but it looks very suitable, and it is really suitable. As for the 130mm gun of this thing, it is actually the 130mm/45 Mle1935 of the Bold-class destroyer. You can play Azur Lane_ span36span can find this gun on reckless and stubborn, if you have to get something close then it's the 130mm/45 Mle1932, that's the secondary gun for Dunkirk, Strasbourg and Lyon, unfortunately in WOWS No one uses this gun as the main gun, even if it is the same caliber, it is the 130mm/40 Mle1919 of Hot Air, Gale and Jaguar. That thing is not a gun. You say that this thing can fit on a car. I am only It can be said that your WG imagined the interior space of the TCB turret too well. Although there is no specific data, the design of the tail tank is definitely not enough to fit the naval gun...

M4 heavy tank armor enhancement plan_ p3p

AMX M4 1951 is even simpler and a fictional thing, but the body of the AMX-M4 1949 is slightly manipulated and then the TCB turret is added, so this thing is very similar to the AMX-M4 1954 because it is essentially The two directions of one thing, and then in order to balance the main gun that did not have a bold level, but chose the 127mm/54 Mle1948 of Loire Steel, which is also known to WOWS players. Colbert and Mary Suo's main gun... By the way, this thing is the French version of the 127mm Mk12. People use American cannonballs. I don't really understand why this gun in WOT is better than the British in the early days of World War II. The weird guns that don't work are even worse, maybe they made a caliber and visual error, or else your WG thinks the 138.6mm Mle1929 of the Sky Vision and the 138.6mm Mle1927 of the Walker and Eagle are too exaggerated or so I need to do the same damage as a Japanese 140mm gun, so I gave up,Then I wonder if you can replace the optional main gun of your car with the Tornado-grade 130mm Mle1919. Is there any problem with one 130mm splitting 560 damage and 490 damage? Or is it that in your balance view, the damage of 470, which is lower than the 128 and 130 of the same level, is not too high or not low? So what if you give an old 130 gun a 470 damage? Didn't Mammoth's 128 also give you 440 damage? It doesn't take into account the problem at all. It is better to say that this large-caliber gun is just imposed casually. However, it should be noted that the whiteboard state of this thing is also historical. FAMH has made one before developing the TCB turret, which can also be installed on the . The turret used on the AMX-50 , but the car has another solution, that is, it is installed on the M4 heavy tank. The real name of that thing is indeed AMX-M4 1951. In a sense, it is not a fabricated name? But if it comes to the main gun, the FAMH turret has only considered carrying the 100mm SA47, and there is no other main gun. The 120mm gun may only stay in the theoretical stage, otherwise there is no need to specially develop the TOB turret, which means that this thing is the best Mostly a follow-up exploration of the AMX-M4 1949... but this result is shared with the AMX-50.

AMX-M4 1951 plan

Lorraine 50t is actually a competition plan of AMX-50 and Soma SM in the same period, but this thing has no drawings left, so...you can understand it like this—— The Lorraine 50t in the game is actually a solution provided by WG back in the 1950s for the Lorraine company, so as you can see, the turret he uses is angular and uses a 120mm gun, and then the French based on what they provided After making the shape modification, the TCB turret was completed, and through the main gun developed by WG and the technology of the American 120mm M58, he successfully developed his own 120mm gun. The name of this main gun uses what was left by the traversers of WG. Named in honor of these internationalists' charitable contributions across the Iron Curtain...sorry, there's no picture for this one, because there can't be a picture! No drawings, no plans to explain where I got the drawings for you?

ok,Done.

Let's talk about the TCB turret, this guy has a master, and his master is AMX-50B (if I have to say a correct name, it should be... AMX-50 weight reduction, there is a TOA turret next door Armor enhancement and weight reduction using TOB turret), yes, you heard that right, 50B had planned to install this turret, which was developed by FAMH, but there are no specific parameters, the only thing known is that the turret uses an automatic loading system The backup plan of the TOA swing turret, in order to avoid the possible delay in the overall development of the AMX-50 caused by the development of the automatic loading system, FAMH proposed a turret that does not use the automatic loading system. This turret is as heavy as the TOB turret but has frontal armor. More powerful, suitable for 120mm main gun, but with the success of TOB, this plan can only stay on the drawing.

TCB 120 turret

This guy has not yet appeared in World of Tanks. He is obviously the master of TCB. AMX-50 120 (AMX-50 120 No. 2 prototype is a 70-ton prototype chassis. To be precise, this chassis is the opposite of the AMX 65t in the game, because the FAMH turret of the AMX 65t itself is lighter than the TOB turret. If it can reach 65 tons, it must use the chassis of the AMX-50 120 No. 2 prototype), although it seems appropriate to allocate TCB to M4 in the game, but this is not history.

AMX-50 TCB 120

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