Reviewing the forty years of reform and opening up, China has created an economic model that is constantly in line with China's actual national conditions. This economic model has also brought leapfrog growth to China. In just a few decades, China has jumped from a poor and backward country to the world's second largest economy. This economic model has also attracted many aspects of emulation from multiple emerging economies. Feng Huilan, then Minister of Trade at Indonesian , said that Indonesia will refer to China's successful special economic zone experience. On the American version of Zhihu Quora, Indonesian netizens asked: How many years have Indonesia lagged behind China? Can it replicate China's success within 20 years? This issue has aroused heated discussions among netizens from all over the world, let’s take a look at their views.
Question: Can Indonesia replicate China's success within 20 years? How many years are there in the difference between the two?
Answer by Czech netizen Emil Oplisa
It seems that everyone in the world thinks that China's experience can be copied, but the fact is that China's advantages are very unique.
It seems that everyone in the world thinks that China's experience can be copied, but the fact is that China's advantages are very unique.
It seems that everyone in the world thinks that China's experience can be copied, but the fact is that China's advantages are very unique.
Most people believe that China's economic miracle began with the "reform and opening up" policy in the 1980s. However, this is a common misunderstanding.
Most people believe that China's economic miracle began with the "reform and opening up" policy in the 1980s. However, this is a common misunderstanding.
"Industrialization" is an important word that needs special mention in China's development. Before opening its doors, China was already a fully industrialized country. This means that China has sufficient qualified labor force (including workers and engineers), perfect supply chain system and transportation system, and the ability to replicate almost all primary and intermediate products. What it lacks is only capital, technology and management experience. These are what China needs and what Western investors can bring to China.
"Industrialization" is an important word that needs special mention in China's development. Before opening the country's door, China was already a completely industrialized country. This means that China has sufficient qualified labor (including workers and engineers), a complete supply chain system and transportation system, and the ability to copy almost all junior and intermediate products. All it lacks is capital, technology and management experience. These are what China needs and what Western investors can bring to China.
For example, when you want to invest in a toy factory in China, the process is basically as follows:
To give an example, when you want to invest in a toy factory in China, the process is basically as follows:
First, you must deal with the local government. In China, especially in the previous years (1980-2010), how much investment they attracted is a key indicator to evaluate the performance of local officials. Therefore, they will do their best to provide you with the most attractive support so that you can invest there. There is no need to worry about the location and supporting facilities of the factory. The local people will handle it well.
First, you have to deal with the local government. In China, especially in previous years (1980-2010), how much investment they attract is a key indicator for evaluating the political achievements of local officials. So they will do their best to provide you with the most attractive support to invest there. There is basically no need to worry about the location and supporting facilities of the factory, as locals will handle it.
Then you need to hire some advanced knowledge talents. In the early days, China could provide 1 million college graduates every year. Now, the number has exceeded 7 million. They are a well-educated workforce and usually have sufficient English / other foreign language skills for daily communication. You can recruit any number of employees from the market.
Then you need to hire some senior knowledge talents. In the early days, China could provide 1 million university graduates each year, but now this number exceeds 7 million. They are a well-educated workforce and usually have enough English/other foreign language skills for daily communication and you can recruit any number of employees from the market.
We often talk about China's low labor cost. Most people only see the wage part and ignore the efficiency part. In most cases, you can't directly send the farmers to the factory, which will cause confusion in management. Modern industry needs highly distributed and efficient labor.
We often talk about China's low labor cost. Most people only see the wage part and ignore the efficiency part. In most cases, you can't directly send the farmers to the factory, which will cause confusion in management. Modern industry needs highly distributed and efficient labor.
We are often talking about China's low labor cost. Most people only see the wage part and ignore the efficiency part. In most cases, you cannot send farmers directly to factories, which will be chaotic to manage, and modern industry requires disciplined and efficient labor.
Almost all Chinese workers have completed nine years of basic education, and China's basic education system is carefully designed for industrial purposes. Many other countries have lower labor costs but are far less efficient than Chinese workers.
Almost all Chinese workers have completed nine years of basic education, and China's basic education system is carefully designed for industrial purposes. Many other countries have lower labor costs but are much less efficient than Chinese workers.
After purchasing and installing machines in the factory, the factory can now start production. Electricity is a big problem in India and other countries. China has the capacity to generate 1.525 billion kilowatts per hour. You need not worry about it at all.
After purchasing and installing machines in the factory, the factory can now start production. Electricity is a big problem in countries such as India. China has the ability to generate 1.525 billion kilowatts per hour, so you don’t have to worry about it at all.
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In the toy industry, different toys may require labels, plastic and textile components. In addition, painting, polishing and packaging are also required during the manufacturing process. Therefore, you need support from processing plants, petrochemical industries, textile mills, dye factories, grinding wheel factories and paper mills. You can easily find corresponding Partners in the local area, which makes your supply chain management easier. In other words, it can save you time and money.
In the toy industry, different toys may require labels, plastics and textile parts. In addition, the paint, polish and packaging process are required during the manufacturing process. Therefore, support from processing plants, petrochemical industry, textile mills, dye plants, grinding wheel plants and paper mills is required, and you can easily find the corresponding partners locally, which makes your supply chain easier to manage, in other words, it can save you time and money.
When products are produced, you need to send them to your dealers. The Chinese government is famous for its crazy infrastructure construction. In China, people think that if a place wants to get rich, it needs to build roads first. Almost every village in China has a convenient road system. It has a high-speed railway network, thousands of ports and airports, so China's transportation is not a problem.
products are produced and you need to send them to your dealers, the Chinese government is known for its crazy infrastructure construction. In China, people believe that if a place wants to get rich, it first needs to build roads. Almost every village in China has a convenient road system.It has a high-speed railway network, thousands of ports and airports, so transportation in China is not a problem.
Now you see, you just need to bring your money and management experience to China, and then you can get everything you want.
Now you look, you just need to bring your money and management experience to China, and then you can get everything you want.
Now you look, you just need to bring your money and management experience to China, and then you can get everything you want.
Now you look, you just need to bring your money and management experience to China, and then you can get everything you want.
Now you look, you just need to bring your money and management experience to China, and then you can get everything you want.
Now you look, you just need to bring your money and management experience to China, and then you can get everything you want.
Now you look, you just need to bring your money and management experience to China, and then you can get everything you want.
Now you look, you just need to bring your money and management experience to China, and then you can get everything you want.
Now you look, you just need to bring your money and management experience to China, and then you can get everything you want.
Now you look, you just need to bring your money and management experience to China, and then you can get everything you want.
Now you look, you just need to bring your money and management experience to China, and then you can get everything you want.
Now you look, you just need to bring your money and management experience to China, and then you can get everything you want.
Now you look, you just need to bring your money and management experience to China, and then you can get everything you want.
Now you see, you just need to bring your money and management experience to China
I am not familiar with Indonesia. How many years before it can realize the advantages I mentioned above? Only by doing so can Indonesia replicate and even surpass China's success.
I am not familiar with Indonesia. How many years will it take to achieve the advantages I mentioned above? Only by doing these things can Indonesia replicate or even surpass China's success.
Vietnamese netizen Liv Khan's answer
I have been to these two countries. It can be said that the urbanization level of Indonesia still lags far behind that of China. I have visited rural areas in Indonesia, but not in China. Although I think the difference between them is not as obvious as the difference between the major urban centers of the two countries. The long road I mentioned earlier is also relative. Depending on various factors, it may take 20 to 50 years for Indonesia to reach China's development level.
I have visited rural areas in Indonesia but have not visited rural areas in China. Although I think the difference between them is not as obvious as the difference between the major urban centers of the two countries. The long road I mentioned earlier is also relative. Depending on a variety of factors, it may take 20 to 50 years for Indonesia to reach China's development level.
I think Indonesia can imitate China to a certain extent, but there are some major differences between the two countries. From a geographic point of view, there are advantages and disadvantages.
I think Indonesia can imitate China to a certain extent, but there are some major differences between the two countries. From a geographical point of view, there are advantages and disadvantages.
First, Indonesia is the largest archivelago in the world, which means that infrastructure construction may be more difficult and expensive. In addition, this may lead to more unbalanced economic development, for example, it will lead to the development of islands such as Java much faster than Sulawesi. But this may also be an advantage, because most cities with large population can obtain the cheapest mode of transportation: sea transportation.
First, Indonesia is the largest archipelago in the world, which means infrastructure construction can be more difficult and expensive. Furthermore, this could lead to more imbalance in economic development, which, for example, would lead to islands like Java that develop much faster than Sulawesi . But this may also be an advantage, as most cities with a large population can get the cheapest mode of transportation: sea transportation.
In terms of geographic location, Indonesia is located in the busiest sea and land center in the world, with great geographic advantages. If properly developed, this will bring great benefits. Indonesia can export its goods and services to the two largest markets in the world. There is no doubt that both India and China will surpass the United States at some point and It is only a matter of time.
In terms of geographical location, Indonesia is located in the world's busiest land and sea center, with a huge geopolitical advantage. This will bring huge benefits if developed properly. Indonesia can export its goods and services to two of the world's largest markets. There is no doubt that both India and China will surpass the United States at some point and become the world's leading economy, and it's only a matter of time.
Compared with China, Indonesia obviously does not have a large area of land and a rich climate belt. This brings obvious advantages to China, because China's scale brings greater opportunities for specific types of development. The vast geographic area also means that there are more resources in almost all categories. From subtropical to subarctic, China can grow more kinds of crops and plants.
Compared with China, what Indonesia does not have is obviously a large area of land and a rich climate zone. This brings a clear advantage to China, as China's scale brings greater opportunities for specific types of development. The vast geographical area also means more resources in almost all categories. From the subtropical to the subarctic, China can grow more varieties of crops and plants.
Another thing that sets China apart from countries like Indonesia is its form of government. Its government can carry out large-scale projects more easily because it can more easily remove the "obstacles" on the road of these projects.
Another thing that sets China apart from countries like Indonesia is its form of government. Its government makes it easier to carry out large-scale projects because it can more easily remove “barriers” on the road to these projects.
One sensitive point that no one wants to talk about is religion. Although no one will admit this, some enterprises may be reluctant to invest here for fear of the rise of excremism. China is a typical secular country, and its environment is much more relaxed. I do not want to discuss this issue further because I do not want to derail this discussion.
A sensitive point that no one wants to talk about is religion. Although no one will admit this, there may be some companies that are reluctant to invest here because of fear of rising extremism, and China is a typical secular country with a much looser environment. I don't want to discuss this further, because I don't want to derail this discussion.
On the whole, I believe that Indonesia's future will be bright, because it is at the crossroads of the two largest players on the world stage, benefiting from a large and young population and some impressive resources. It is hard to say that this success will be achieved in the next 20 years, but considering the pace of development in the world today and the scale and speed of changes in These parts of the world in the past few decades, it is not impossible.
Overall, I believe the future of Indonesia will be bright as it is at the intersection of two biggest characters on the world stage, benefiting from a large, young population and some impressive resources. It is hard to say that this success will be achieved in the next 20 years, but it is not impossible given the pace of development in today's world and the scale and speed of the change that has taken place in these parts of the world over the past few decades.
I just hope that Indonesia can learn from China's experience and focus on renewable energy, recycling and sustainability in a more environmentally friendly way from the beginning. Indonesia is the guardian of the only primitive rainforests in this region of the world. For the sake of future generations, I hope it can complete its task.
I just hope Indonesia can learn from China's experience and focus on renewable energy, recycling and sustainability in a more environmentally friendly way from the beginning. Indonesia is the guardian of the only remaining primitive rainforests in the world, and for the sake of future generations, I hope it can accomplish its own mission.
Indonesian netizen Allen Rojas' answer
As an Indonesian, I think Indonesia lags behind China for 30 years in infrastructure and economic development.
As an Indonesian, I think Indonesia lags behind China in terms of infrastructure and economic development.
As an Indonesian, I think Indonesia lags behind China for 30 years in terms of infrastructure and economic development.
Infrastructure - within a few decades, China can even build roads in Yunnan and Sichuan provinces, which are far away from Shanghai and Guangzhou. China already has an extensive high-speed railway network, and Indonesia's idea is still under discussion.
Infrastructure - Within decades, China was able to build roads in provinces such as Yunnan and Sichuan, far from Shanghai and Guangzhou. China already has an extensive high-speed railway network, and the idea of Indonesia is still in discussion.
Technology - within a decade, China has become a leader in drone Technology (DJI) and electric vehicles. While Indonesia still relies on Japanese and Chinese companies to invest in the automobile manufacturing industry in Indonesia, in fact, we are still importing basic manufacturing machine from China. For decades, the only Indonesian company that has occupied the overseas market is indomie.
technology - Within ten years, China has become a leader in drone technology (DJI) and electric vehicles. Indonesia still relies on Japanese and Chinese companies to invest in the automobile manufacturing industry in Indonesia. In fact, we are still importing basic manufacturing machines from China. The only Indonesian company that has occupied overseas markets for decades is Indomie.
Fortune - 20 years ago, we thought China was a poor socialist country. Now, we are attracting them to Indonesia because we need their RMB. China's per capita GDP (PPP) is much higher than Indonesia's, which means their living standards are much higher.
Fortune-20 years ago, we think China was a poor socialist country. Now, we are attracting them to Indonesia because we need their RMB. China's per capita GDP (PPP) is much higher than Indonesia's, which means their living standards are much higher.
Fortune-20 years ago, we think China was a poor socialist country. Now, we are attracting them to Indonesia because we need their RMB. China's per capita GDP (PPP) is much higher than Indonesia's, which means their living standards are much higher.
Fortune-20 years ago, we think China was a poor socialist country. China's per capita GDP (PPP) is much higher than that of Indonesia, which means their living standards are much higher.
China has better policies and willpower to develop the country and bring wealth to its citizens. For example, the government has begun to focus on the development of renewable energy, while Indonesia only connected Banten to Central Java by highway last year.
China has better policies and willpower to develop the country and bring wealth to its citizens. For example, the government has begun to focus on developing renewable energy, while Indonesia only connected Banten to Central Java by expressway last year.
Obviously, we still have a long way to go in meeting Chinese standards, which requires more than willpower and government policies. Even developed countries such as Japan have failed in technology, let alone Indonesia.
Obviously, we still have a long way to go in meeting Chinese standards, which requires more than willpower and government policies. Even developed countries such as Japan have failed in technology, let alone Indonesia.
Obviously, we still have a long way to go in meeting Chinese standards, which requires more than willpower and government policies. Even developed countries like Japan are no longer able to do their best in technology, let alone Indonesia.
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Some people are unhappy with me that Indonesia is 30 years behind China. The Indonesian people have the ability to develop like China, but they do not have the political will to develop. I said that I did not consider political factors in my reply. Let's Discuss:
Some people said to me that Indonesia was unhappy in China for 30 years. The Indonesian people have the ability to develop like China, but have no political will to develop. If I say I did not consider political factors in my answer, then let's discuss it:
For the past 10 years, before the current president, Indonesia has been led by an extremely incompetent president. He is one of the reasons why Indonesia lags behind. Now, Indonesia is lucky to have president jokowi. If we are still ruled by him in the next 20 years, I think Indonesia can catch up with China soon.
For the past 10 years, before the current president, Indonesia was led by an extremely incompetent president.He is one of the reasons why Indonesia is lagging behind. Now, Indonesia is lucky to have President Jokowi. If we remain ruled by him for the next 20 years, I think Indonesia can catch up with China soon.
What people have not considered is that in the worst case of corrupt politicians like fadley Zong or Fahri Hamza or Norwood Habib rizik coming to power in the future, Indonesia will fall into chaos, which may kill the development of Indonesia. In addition, honest politicians like ahok were imprisoned. This is my question to you. If an honest politician is Imprisoned for a mistake made by these corrupt politicians, how will a country develop???
What people are not considering is the worst case for future corrupt politicians like Fadley Zong or Fahri Hamza or Nokwood Habib Rizik to come to power, Indonesia will fall into chaos and may kill Indonesia's development. In addition, honest politicians like Ahawk were also imprisoned. This is the question I ask you, how will a country develop if an honest politician is imprisoned for a mistake that is made by these corrupt politicians? ? ?
Philippine netizen Aril Litawa's answer
China is several light years ahead of Indonesia.
China is several light years ahead of Indonesia.
1. China has the most extensive high-speed train network in the world, while Indonesia has only recently begun to build a line with the help of China.
1. China has the most extensive high-speed train network in the world, and Indonesia has only recently begun to build a line with the help of China.
1. With the help of China, Indonesia has only recently begun to build a line with the help of China.
2. China plans to build 100 nuclear power plants. Meanwhile, Indonesian officials said that we would have to wait 100 years to have a nuclear power plant (this was mentioned in an article a few years ago). Needless to say, the Indonesian people are constantly being promoted for fear that this is the only known environmentally sound and powerful sustainable energy source.
2. China plans to build 100 nuclear power plants, while Indonesian officials said we will have to wait 100 years to own a nuclear power plant (this was mentioned in an article a few years ago). Not to mention, the Indonesian people are constantly being promoted, fearing that it is the only known environmentally sound and strong sustained source of energy.
3. Indonesia's Lapan only plans to develop a space launch vehicle in the 1930s. Like all Indonesian government plans, it is not sure whether they will really do so.
3. Indonesia's Lapan only plans to develop a space launch vehicle in the 1930s. Like all Indonesian government plans, it is not sure whether they will really do so.
3. Indonesia's Lapan only plans to develop a space launch vehicle in the 1930s.
4. China has its own aircraft carrier, while the Indonesian navy lacks the fuel for effective operation.
4. At the same time, the Indonesian navy lacks the fuel needed to operate effectively.
5.China has the world's fastest supercomputer tianhe-2, and Indonesia has no one to compare with it.
5. China has the world's fastest supercomputer Tianhe-2, and Indonesia has no one to compare with it.
6. Since the 1980s, China has built expressways that can fill Java island and Sumatra island. During the administration of President jokowi in Indonesia, I suspect that we only built more than 1000 kilometers in the same period.
6. Since the 1980s, China has built expressways that can fill Java island and Sumatra island. During the administration of President jokowi in Indonesia, I suspect that we only built more than 1000 kilometers in the same period.
6. Since the 1980s, China has built expressways that can fill Java island and Sumatra island. In Indonesia, during the administration of President Jokowi, I suspect we only built over 1,000 kilometers during the same period.
7. China is a nuclear power, and Indonesia signed the nuclear non proliferation treatment before it possessed a nuclear bomb.
7. China is a nuclear power, and Indonesia signed the nuclear non proliferation treatment before it possessed a nuclear bomb.
8. China has Tencent, BYD and Huawei, and Indonesia has nothing to compare with these giants.
8. China has Tencent, BYD, and Huawei, and Indonesia has nothing to compare with these giants.
9. China manufacturers its own tanks, missiles and fighter planes, while Indonesia is the purchaser.
9. China manufactures its own tanks, missiles and fighter planes, while Indonesia is the purchaser.
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10. China is currently building the world's largest water diversity project to solve the water shortage problem in Beijing. Indonesia can only solve this problem by selling the water supply company in Jakarta to Lyon and praying. OK, there is a project in West Java to siphon more water from the reserveir, but this is only a temporary solution, like adding More stories to the same glass of water.
10. China is currently building the world's largest water diversion project to solve Beijing's water shortage problem. Indonesia can only solve this problem by selling Jakarta's water supply company to French Lyons and praying. OK, West Java has a project to siphon more water from the reservoir, but this is just a temporary solution, like adding more straws to the same glass of water.
Do I need to continue the list?
Do I need to continue the list?
