"Military Martial Plane" Author: Da Yiwan
Today is March 5, 2022, Beijing time. The military conflict between Russia and Ukraine has been outbreak for 9 days. In the past few days, some people have moved the famous imperial Russian elements in Russia, the former "Defense Minister of the Donetsk Republic", the blog posts of Strekov, who led the East Ukrainian militia to beat up the Ukrainian army during the 2014 East Ukrainian War, and the "Russian Yue Fei" (heavy fog), commenting on the Ukrainian War.
In the article, Strekov complained greatly about the Russian army's combat organization and military force: it is believed that according to the Russian army's existing 50,000 to 60,000 troops invested on the battlefield, it is difficult to form a long front in the left bank of the Dnieper River . It believes that the Russian army should quickly assemble more troops, including mobilizing conscripts and mobilizing the final strategic reserves, at least to ensure the completion of the encirclement of the Wudong Heavy Force Group.
Abandoned Russian army tank and armored vehicles
1 In fact, according to the current situation, Ivan believes that the Russian army should indeed invest more National Guards and conscripts to control the rear of the front, protect the traffic line, and improve the Russian army's logistics and equipment maintenance capabilities. Otherwise, the current momentum of the Russian army's offensive has been greatly blocked, and it will be more difficult to continue to advance in the future.
"Ukraine has made contributions to China" discussion
At the same time, recently, on the domestic Internet, for some reason, the theory of "Ukraine has made contributions to China" suddenly began to circulate, believing that Ukraine is the "meanor" of the military modernization of the Chinese People's Liberation Army:
This news was probably the earliest source of this post, pointing out that "Ukraine embargoes D-30KP-2 engines to China", resulting in our Y-20 model Large transport aircraft have "no engine available";
Then, someone posted a post saying that Russia was selling the China-Su-30MK fighter at that time, and the same equipment was sold to India but advanced than the ones sold to China;
In addition, some people listed the past events of China purchasing the "Varyag" aircraft carrier from Ukraine and trying to buy the 1164.1 "Ukraine" cruiser, telling the Chinese people that our military modernization is "all supported by Ukraine." Now, because of the conflict between Ukraine and Russia, we will never get the help of Ukraine again.
Will the Russian-Ukrainian conflict really affect China?
So, has the current conflict between Russia and Ukraine really made our large aircraft "free engines available". Russia was really "extremely inauthentic" in the issue of exporting the Su-30 to China. Was China's military modernization cause really supported by Ukraine?
Recently, slogans were hung outside the Canadian Embassy in China in Beijing, which was quite controversial...
Concerns about engines
Let me talk about the first question first. Ivan believes that the current conflict between Russia and Ukraine may have an impact on the engine supply of some models in China, and this is not impossible.
L-15 Advanced Trainer
After all, our current L-15 Advanced Trainer is the foreign trade equipment that just signed a large order with the UAE some time ago. Its engine is the "progressive" design of Zaporozhe, and the AI-322-25 model manufactured by Zaporozhe Madasik Factory (Ukraine wants to "super" Russia in product numbers, so the original product number AI-222-25 was changed to "AI-322-25" to show that it is more advanced than the AI-222-25 model that Russia still uses).
AI-322-25 small thrust turbofan engine
Currently, with the Russian army approaching Zaporozhe, it is estimated that Motor Sich will definitely not be able to build it. Ukraine is currently being beaten like this. It is estimated that even after the war, it will take a long time to restore production capacity.
But on the one hand, we ourselves are not without backup plans. After all, as early as around 2020, we were stocking up on AI-322-25 models. I remember that last year, the second year before, we signed a contract of 400 engines with Ukraine, and kept it at home, which is enough for the production of L-15 to last for a long time;
On the other hand, it is circulated online, It is said that the D-30KP-2 engine used for our large transport aircraft is not produced in Ukraine, but produced in Perm, Russia;
What's more, the D-30KP-2 engine is currently in the Chinese Air Force application range is rapidly declining. After all, we have not only created similar equipment, but are also testing better equipment. Whether this type of engine is banned or not, the impact on us is basically minimal.
Questions about Su-30 foreign trade
After posting the joke "Ukraine embargoes D-30KP-2 engines to China", many people began to browse the so-called "Russian arms sales to China are not authentic" jokes online, believing that when Russia sold Su-30MK fighter jets to China, it deliberately sold better equipment to India and our worse equipment. What's even more terrifying is that Russia refused to sell us technical information on the AL series engines. "In the end, we got the information on the RD engine through Ukraine", which led to the later J-11B and J-16 fighter .
If the previous "Ukraine's embargo on China" is not completely rumored, the people who rumored this Su-30MK arms sales joke are almost ignorant of the arms sales between China and Russia and China and Ukraine, and half a bottle of water is still swaying there.
Take the export plan of the Su-30MK fighter as an example. We have popularized the science more than once before, and Russia was actually very enthusiastic back then. Not only did the Su-30MKI similar to India once sold us, KnAAPO also once promoted a Su-30MK3 series with more advanced performance, various Huabiao said that it would install active phased array radar , thrust vector engine and ultra-long-range air-to-air missiles.
Su-39 Strong Attack Machine
In addition, such as Su-27S upgraded version Su-27SKM, etc. There are also Su-39 attack aircraft, which Russia has repeatedly promoted to the Chinese Air Force. Such as the Su-27SM2 and Su-30MK3 models, the performance is stronger than the Su-30MKI of the Indian Air Force , but the problem is the same as the Su-30MKI of the India Su-30MKI: the technical performance is immature, and it takes several years to mature.
And for the Chinese Air Force at the beginning of the century, the most important issue is those four words: emergency combat. In this case, the Chinese Air Force cannot have several years to wait for the equipment given by Russia to gradually mature. After all, equipment that can be used tomorrow but has average performance is far more than equipment that can only be used in ten years but has advanced performance, which is suitable for the equipment needs of the Chinese Air Force. It is in this case that we directly expressed that we did not catch a cold for the Su-30MK3 models that Russia repeatedly promoted. Finally, we chose a Su-30MKK with very moderate performance. We can have off-defense attack capabilities and can use the R-77 air-to-air missile to be considered a victory. After getting it, we quickly formed combat effectiveness.
The Su-30MKI in the hands of the Indian Air Force continued to struggle until around 2009 to form combat effectiveness, and its performance was quickly surpassed by the J-11BS and J-16 that the Chinese Air Force later equipped.Therefore, after all, the so-called Su-30 of the Chinese Air Force is not as good as that of India. According to Ivan's own memory, it is almost fifteen years ago on the Internet. Once you have a certain understanding of the military, you will understand that weapons and equipment cannot only look at the performance of paper, but also the maturity of the equipment and the main combat tasks faced by a country's army.
RD-33 Aero Engine
As for the so-called "Russia does not give technical information to RD, Ukraine gives technical information to RD", it is even more nonsense: first of all, these two engines are made in Russia, and secondly, Russia really gives some design information to RD engines for our technical reference. Finally, AL-31F is a third-generation big push, and RD-33 is a third-generation mid-generation mid-promotion. If you use the RD-33 to save the J-16, why don’t you use the EA-888 engine to save a tank? Ivan believes that this joke is really not common sense at all.
Summary of Ukraine's arms sales to China
Finally, Ukraine's arms sales to China roughly show two relatively distinct characteristics:
One is from the perspective of time nodes, in the 1990s and early this century, before the Ukrainian color revolution, the two countries The relationship is quite hot. After the color revolution, the relationship between the two countries turned cold, and most cooperation projects were either not completed or there was no negotiation at all.
Second, in terms of arms sales content, there are almost no things developed by Ukraine after independence, which are all things that the Soviet Union "technology and archaeology" are:
Let's talk about the time node first. In the 1990s, China still got some things from Ukraine. For example, the most typical one is the unbuilt "Varyag" aircraft carrier, which has become our "Liaoning" aircraft carrier . There are also some tactical aircraft, tactical missiles, , subsystem information of main battle tanks, etc. Ukraine has given us great help.
164.1 "Glorious" class cruiser
At that time, Russia followed behind and was jealous. For example, when we talked to Ukraine about introducing the 1164.1 "Glorious" class cruiser, in addition to the United States, Russia was also very nervous, and said that it was unwilling to sell us the P-1000 "volcano" anti-ship missiles. When we got the aircraft carrier shipboard design information from Ukraine, Russia also expressed its unhappiness, after all, it delayed them from fooling us into improving the Su-33.
Regarding the acquisition of Motor Sich, the Russian newspaper "Opinion" reported citing Ukraine's experts' views: Ukraine is unlikely to win, but because the compensation amount is very high, if it loses, Ukraine cannot pay the amount.
However, after the Ukrainian color revolution in 2004, the relationship between China and Ukraine has become relatively weak, and there is almost no cooperation on large-scale combat equipment. When the Zelensky government came to power, Ukraine further turned to the West, and there was nothing to talk about with China. The typical representative of this is the acquisition of Motor Sich in Strange Stories from a Chinese Studio.
T-10K carrier-based aircraft prototype
However, since 2010, the Ukrainian government has less and less military cooperation with China. There is another factor, that is, the remaining technologies in the Soviet era have basically been sold out. In the early days, none of the military equipment we obtained from Ukraine was developed by Ukraine itself, and it was all the things left by the Soviet Union. Look at the "Varyag" and T-10K-3 carrier-based aircraft, which one was built by Ukraine itself?
Chinese experts visited Ukraine to visit T-10K-3
So far, it is truly a equipment made by Ukraine itself, probably the AI-222-25 engine, and it was developed by Zaporozhe and Russia in cooperation.Therefore, rather than talking about military cooperation with Ukraine, it is better to say that Ukraine uses the Soviet legacy to talk to us about favors. When the Soviet legacy is sold out, there will naturally be no need to talk about it. I remember that during the 2018 Zhuhai Air Show, Ukraine also set up a booth at the air show in . What is the thing sold? It is actually the Ukrainian improved version of R-27ER and R-27ET air-to-air missiles. What is the need for purchasing such things?
Therefore, Ivan believes that, after all, Ukraine's military cooperation with China is actually the cause of the second son of the Soviet Union selling his father's inheritance. At present, the legacy has basically been sold out, and our national defense and military modernization undertakings have basically embarked on the road of independent development. Therefore, there is basically no good field of cooperation in military cooperation with Ukraine.
In fact, for Ivan, the situation in Ukraine is easy to say at present. What we are most concerned about is the Ukrainian actor Andrei Saminin, who should be familiar to all born in the 1990s, and the actor of Paul Kochakin in the 1999 CCTV version of "Handl Steel Is Tempered ". I heard that this brother later acted in many soap operas in Ukraine and married Donniya as his wife. Before the conflict broke out, he should have been on vacation in Odessa . I hope he is well.
