马努是史上“最赢”的人｜无悬念进名人堂

讨论主题：据美媒Elias Sports Bureau统计，吉诺比利职业生涯出战1057场常规赛，总胜率为72.1%，这也让他成为NBA历史上至少出战1000场常规赛的球员中胜率最高的球员。

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[–]Huckleberry_Sin975 points 19 hours ago

Winningest player in NBA history.

NBA史上最赢的球员

[–]WarriorsSF_CITIZEN_POLICE 286 points 18 hours ago

He averaged 13 ppg for his career. Just goes to show it not always how much you score, but when you score.

他生涯也就场均13分，这表明了得分多少并不是绝对重要，重要的是何时得分。

[–]therealsheriff 79 points 18 hours ago

Manu may be the quintessential example of a player you can’t judge by his stats. In his prime he could have led a team.

马努大概是一个典型的不能依靠数据来评价的球员，在他的巅峰期，他可以轻松地当一支球队的老大。

[–]NBAzxc123zxc123 925 points 19 hours ago*

Winningest NBA player outside of NBA history too.

Because Manu took down the 2004 US Olympic team with Carmelo Anthony, Tim Duncan, Allen Iverson, Lebron James, Dwyane Wade, prime Odom/Boozer/Amar'e, Richard Jefferson, Shawn Marion, Stephon Marbury, and coached by Larry Brown. That team so stacked POPOVICH was their assistant coach!

Lebron beat GSW Kyrie/Love. Jordan 3-peated with Pippen/Rodman. Manu did it Luis Scola.

他不仅是NBA最赢的球员，也是NBA之外最赢的球员。

因为他击败了2004年那支梦之队，那支梦之队有甜瓜、呆呆、AI、幼詹、韦碟、奥当当、布泽尔、小斯、理查德姐夫深、马良、马布里，主教练是拉里-布朗，阵容豪华到波波都只能当助教！

勒布朗和勒夫欧文一起击败了勇士、乔丹和皮蓬罗德曼一起拿的三连冠，而吉诺比利，当时只带着路易斯-斯科拉。

[–]RocketsNietzsche_Darko81 points 18 hours ago

I mean I’ll take Luis Scola and Carlos Delfino over all those scrubs

我说，相比于你说的那些麻瓜，我更愿意要斯科拉和德菲尔诺。

[–]SpursMeC019567 points 17 hours ago

Don't you forget Andrés "Chicago Bulls playoffs leading scorer" Nocioni and NBA champion Fabricio Oberto.

别忘记了阿根廷还有“公牛队季后赛头号得分手”诺西奥尼和NBA冠军奥博托！

[–][BKN] Markel Brownlaboratory_koala 10 points 15 hours ago

Golden generation. Doubt we'll ever see the like again.

黄金一代，不知道还能不能看到那样的盛况

[–]HornetsKeepItRealTV 170 points 17 hours ago

Larry Brown was an idiot who believed that the new players at the time, which included Melo, Wade, and LeBron were ruining basketball. He benched them for being late to practice or some shit.

拉里布朗就是个蠢货！他认为勒布朗那代球员是在毁了篮球，他们训练迟到或者什幺小事就会被布朗按在板凳上。

[–]RaptorsklaysHat 7 points 10 hours ago

To be fair if that helped make them the players they are today then it's worth

但是讲道理，那也帮助了他们成为了现如今的样子。

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[–]pm_me_spider_picz726 points 19 hours ago*

If anyone’s interested, players with higher %’s than Manu but having played less than 1000 games (min 250 games played):

8. Danny Green, 7. Tom Heinsohn, 6. Michael Cooper, 5. KC Jones, 4. Draymond Green (73.45%), 3. Larry Bird (73.58%) , 2. Magic Johnson (73.95%), and no 1. by a decent margin, Kawhi Leonard at 76.41% (after 407 games)

250场以上胜率最高的是：

1 卡哇伊莱昂纳德

2 魔术师约翰逊

3 拉里-伯德

3 追梦绿色

5 KC琼斯

6 迈克尔-这次不是我-库珀

7 汤姆海因索恩

8 丹尼绿

[–][NYK] Renaldo Balkmanblosweed 84 points 19 hours ago

Damn people forgetting how good Kawhi is

靠夭，人们都忘了莱昂纳德有多出色！

[–]76erssuenopequeno 97 points 18 hours ago

He had Manu, Tim Duncan, and Tony Parker on those teams, so that number may be a bit inflated.

他和马努、邓肯、帕克在一个队，他的胜率也许有点水分

[–]BullsDunlocke27 points 17 hours ago

I mean, they also had him. It's all related.

我说，他们也同样有和他一个队，这都是相对的。

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[–]LakersKhaski 748 points 20 hours ago

And someone dare to question his HOF status

就这样，还有人怀疑马努的名人堂概率（此前有美媒不负责任地预测马努进名人堂的概率只有52%）。

[–]WarriorsOfficialSamOfTheNBA339 points 19 hours ago

people tend to forget it's the "basketball" hall of fame and not the "NBA" hall of fame. I do think Manu deserves to be in the hall of fame on his NBA accomplishments alone, but when you take his overall basketball accomplishments, he should be in the HOF without question.

人们总是忘记那是“篮球名人堂”而不是“NBA名人堂”。我认为马努单单是NBA的成就就值得进入名人堂了，而如果算上他整个篮球生涯，那他进入名人堂是没有悬念的事情！

[–]NBAnizzynba 184 points 18 hours ago

Exactly. 2 time italy MVP, and 1 time champion before he came to the NBA. He's a HoFer and it's not even an argument.

没错！进入NBA之前就拿到了2次意大利联赛MVP、1次总冠军，他就是名人堂，没什么好争论的。

[–]Spurszeuses_beard 180 points 17 hours ago

Don't forget the gold medal, an insane achievement considering who he played against.

不要忘记他的那枚金牌，考虑到他当时的对手，那是一个很疯狂的成就！

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