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Mr Hamblen’s submission requires as its foundation that the notices of reading in the present case were invalid and a nature in the sense used in the decided cases. I do not think that they were. In the present case the ship was ready when the notices of reading were given. They were notices which stated the truth viz. that the vessel was ready to load or discharge as the case might be. The only thing wrong about the notices was the time that they were tendered, which was outside the contractual hours as specified in the contract. To say that such notices were invalid and must therefore be ties begs the question. They were accurate but non-contractual in the sense that they were tendered outside the contractual hours. To my mind that does not make them invalid notices in the sense of being abilities; timing provisions have nothing to do with whether notices are ties. It is only if a notice is untrue that it makes sense to say that it is invalid in the sense of being a nature.
An ‘‘invalid’’ notice of reading is a phrase of ambiguous meaning. It makes sense to say that an untruthful or inaccurate notice is invalid. It is not surprising that the courts have held that such a notice has no legal effect and is to be treated as a nature. It may in a sense be correct to say that a notice given outside the contractual hours is invalid but only in the sense that it does not comply with the contract. It does not follow that the courts should hold that a premature notice of reading is a nature and of no effect. The fact that there are good reasons for holding an inaccurate notice to be of no effect (viz. the charterer cannot know When it will become accurate) does not of itself means that there are similarly good reasons for holding an unless notice to be of no effect. There is in my view no good reason why the notice should not be effective as at the time which the contract fixes for it to be tendered.
Hamblen (the lessee's lawyer)'s defense opinion demanded that the meaning in the precedent of the judgment be based on, and the notice in the case was invalid and empty. I don't think so. In this case, she was ready when the ship submitted a notice of ready. The notice explains the truth, that is, the ship is ready for loading and unloading. The only inappropriate thing is that it has not been submitted within the contract time specified in the charter contract. It is said that the notice is invalid, so it must be empty. This is to avoid the essence of the problem and draw conclusions randomly. These notices are accurate (reflected by facts), but non-contractual, meaning that they are submitted outside the time specified in the contract. For me, this does not make it invalid and becomes a busy life; there is no relationship between the time provision and whether the notice is invalid. Only when the notice is untrue can it be said to be invalid, and in a sense it will become a waste.
‘Invalid’ notice is a phrase with ambiguous meaning. It makes total sense if an untrue or inaccurate notice is invalid. It is no wonder that the court will determine that such notices have no legal effect and are regarded as empty. It is also invalid to say that a notice is outside the time specified in the contract, which is also correct in a sense, but this is limited to not fully complying with the contract provisions. But this invalidity cannot be concluded that the court must also determine that this premature notice is also empty and has no legal effect. In fact, there are good reasons to determine that an inaccurate notice has no legal effect (that is, the lessee cannot know when the notice will become correct and valid, which is why the owner needs to give another valid notice), but this fact itself does not mean that there is a sufficient reason for this to be the same as it should be determined that a premature notice should also have no legal effect.I think that when the contract stipulates the time for submission of the notice, there is no appropriate reason why such notice should be invalid.
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"Loading and unloading time and demurrage fee" 6th edition
CHAPTER 3 Chapter 3
Commencement of laytime
CHAPTER 3 Chapter 3
Commencement of laytime
Commencement of laytime
Mr Hamblen’s submission requires as its foundation that the notices of reading in the present case were invalid and a nature in the sense used in the decided cases. I do not think that they were. In the present case the ship was ready when the notices of reading were given. They were notices which stated the truth viz. that the vessel was ready to load or discharge as the case might be. The only thing wrong about the notices was the time that they were tendered, which was outside the contractual hours as specified in the contract. To say that such notices were invalid and must therefore be ties begs the question. They were accurate but non-contractual in the sense that they were tendered outside the contractual hours. To my mind that does not make them invalid notices in the sense of being abilities; timing provisions have nothing to do with whether notices are ties. It is only if a notice is untrue that it makes sense to say that it is invalid in the sense of being a nature.
An ‘‘invalid’’ notice of reading is a phrase of ambiguous meaning. It makes sense to say that an untruthful or inaccurate notice is invalid. It is not surprising that the courts have held that such a notice has no legal effect and is to be treated as a nature. It may in a sense be correct to say that a notice given outside the contractual hours is invalid but only in the sense that it does not comply with the contract. It does not follow that the courts should hold that a premature notice of reading is a nature and of no effect. The fact that there are good reasons for holding an inaccurate notice to be of no effect (viz. the charterer cannot know When it will become accurate) does not of itself means that there are similarly good reasons for holding an unless notice to be of no effect. There is in my view no good reason why the notice should not be effective as at the time which the contract fixes for it to be tendered.
Hamblen (the lessee's lawyer)'s defense opinion demanded that the meaning in the precedent of the judgment be based on, and the notice in the case was invalid and empty. I don't think so. In this case, she was ready when the ship submitted a notice of ready. The notice explains the truth, that is, the ship is ready for loading and unloading. The only inappropriate thing is that it has not been submitted within the contract time specified in the charter contract. It is said that the notice is invalid, so it must be empty. This is to avoid the essence of the problem and draw conclusions randomly. These notices are accurate (reflected by facts), but non-contractual, meaning that they are submitted outside the time specified in the contract. For me, this does not make it invalid and becomes a busy life; there is no relationship between the time provision and whether the notice is invalid. Only when the notice is untrue can it be said to be invalid, and in a sense it will become a waste.
‘Invalid’ notice is a phrase with ambiguous meaning. It makes total sense if an untrue or inaccurate notice is invalid. It is no wonder that the court will determine that such notices have no legal effect and are regarded as empty. It is also invalid to say that a notice is outside the time specified in the contract, which is also correct in a sense, but this is limited to not fully complying with the contract provisions. But this invalidity cannot be concluded that the court must also determine that this premature notice is also empty and has no legal effect. In fact, there are good reasons to determine that an inaccurate notice has no legal effect (that is, the lessee cannot know when the notice will become correct and valid, which is why the owner needs to give another valid notice), but this fact itself does not mean that there is a sufficient reason for this to be the same as it should be determined that a premature notice should also have no legal effect.I think that when the contract stipulates the time for submission of the notice, there is no appropriate reason why such notice should be invalid.
Mr Hamblen (for the Charterers) submitted to us that the Judge was wrong to introduce the distinction between invalidity for what may be called a substantial reason i.e. because the notice is incorrect in a material respect and a notice which although valid in itself is tendered in breach of some ‘‘time provision’’ as to when a valid notice may be tendered.
He later said:
I am inclined to agree with Mr Hamblen that a notice which is tendered outside the hours permitted by cl. 30 is non-contractual and cannot be relied upon as a ‘‘valid’’ notice, meaning effective to start the time clock running for loading or discharge as the case may be. If a notice was taken to the charterers’ offices at (say) 18 00 and then taken away, then I would not regard that as a tender which became effective on the following day. If Mr Justice Longmore intended to cover such a case when he said that ‘‘the Only thing wrong about the notices was the time that they were tendered’’, yet such notices were valid at that time, then I would disagree with him, but I do not think that he did. Notices outside the permitted hours were non-contractual and therefore ‘‘wrong’’. I do not see how they can be relied upon as having contractual effect at the time of tender. Whether the defect is ‘‘cured’’ by the passage of time is a question of fact rather than law.
The answer to the submission in the present case therefore, depends on the facts that the notice was given in writing and by means which were equivalent to leaving it in the offices to be attended to at 06 00 on the following day. This is essentially the same reason as I have given for rejecting the first submission. Here, there was a tender at 06 00 whether or not there was previously a tender at the time when the telex or fax message was sent.
Peter Gibson LJ, having said that he entirely agreed with the reasons given by Evans LJ for dismissing the appeal, in answer to an argument from Mr Hamblen that because a breach of the time limits relating to presentation of notice of reading could not give rise to a claim in damages, therefore the time limits must be compiled with strictly, said:
That A notice given outside the period provided for contractually may be ‘‘uncontractual’’, but it does not follow that it is a nature, unless the circumstances of the contract or the subject-matter make it essential that the notice should be given within that period.’’
Sir Christopher Slade, the third member of the court agreed with the previous two judgments and added:
Laytime under this charterparty was pressed to begin on the expiration of six hours after receipt of the notice of reading. The commercial purpose of the second sentence of cl. 30, as I would infer, must have been to ensure that the charters or their agents should not be saddled with the receipt of a notice of reading, and the consequent commencement of layout, between 17 00 hours and 06 00 hours, that is to say outside what might be considered as office hours.
The primary conclusion reached by Lord Justice Evans namely that on the facts of the present case there was a ‘‘tender’’ at 06 00, is in my judgment entirely consistent not only with this commercial purpose but also with the wording of cl. 6 and 30, which I think should be read together. The wording of cl. 6 makes it clear that the time of the giving of the notice plus the receipt thereof are the relevant factors for the purpose of the clause.
On this basis, I do not regard the notices of reading in the present case as ‘‘non-contractual’’ (i.e. as having been originally ‘‘tendered’’ outside the permitted hours). But even if they did not comply with the strict wording of cl. 30, I think that they still fall to be treated as valid notices for the reasons given by Lord Justice Evans and Lord Justice Peter Gibson.
I would therefore concur in dismissing this appeal and upholding the arbitrators’ award.
Hamblen (the lessee's barrister) submitted to us said that the judge mistakenly accepted the difference between the invalid notice and the validity notice, that is, the invalidity is due to reasons that may be called substantial, such as in a significant way that the notice is incorrect, and the submitted notice itself is valid, although it is a violation of the 'time provision' of the valid notice.
He later went on to say:
I tend to agree with what Mr. Hamblen said that under Article 30, the notice submitted outside the permitted time is not stipulated in a contract and cannot be believed to be 'valid' notice, which means that the notice of validity is used to initiate the operation of the loading and unloading time clock, as the case may be. If the notice (said) was delivered to the lessee's office at 1800 and then taken away, then I don't think such a submission will become valid on day 2. If Judge Longmore intended to include the situation he said, that is, 'the only mistake was that the time of the notice was submitted was wrong', but at that time the notice was still valid, then I would not agree with him, but I do not think he would make a judgment like that. Notices submitted outside the time of permit are not in compliance with the contract and are therefore ‘errible’. I did not see that they would believe the notice was valid for the contract when submitting it. Whether this shortcoming is ‘eliminated’ over time is a matter of fact, not a matter of law.
Therefore, in this case, the answer to the point he made depends on the true situation of the notice submitted in writing, and in writing is equivalent to leaving the notice in the office until 0600 on the second day. Basically, I gave the same reason to reject the point he started arguing. Here, it became a question of whether the notification sent instantly by telex or fax was too early to submit at 0600 o'clock.
Peter Gibson also said that he fully agreed with the reasons given by Justice Evans when he rejected the appeal and answered the dispute raised by Mr. Hamblen - that is, the time limit cannot be made in violation of the time limit related to submitting the ready notice, so the time limit must be strictly observed, saying:
This simply cannot draw such a conclusion. For example, failure to comply with the rental payment schedule to pay rent on time may be a breach of contract, but it is not reimbursable in terms of losses because (breach) does not cause the timeline to become the fundamental basis of the contract (United Scientific Holdings Ltd v. Burnley Borough Council [1978] AC 904, in which case does not provide for the default on rent payment). Submission of a notice of transportation outside the time specified in the contract may be a ‘breach of contract’, but this does not conclude that it is a waste unless it is concluded based on the context of the contract or the subject matter of the contract that the submission of the notice within a given time is the fundamental basis of the contract.
Sir Christopher Slade, the third justice in the case also agreed to the verdict of the above two justices, adding that
, according to the charter contract, loading and unloading time is forced to be stipulated to start until 6 hours after receiving the ready notice. According to my inference, the commercial purpose of Article 30 and Sentence 2 should be to ensure that the lessee or his agent will not be overloaded after receiving the ready notice (with 6 hours of preparation time), and the next loading and unloading time is calculated from 1700 to 0600 on the next day, which means that this is outside the so-called working hours.
The basic conclusion drawn by Justice Evans means that according to the facts of the case, the delivery of the traffic notice at 0600 is in my opinion, not only in full compliance with the commercial purpose but also in full compliance with the wording of Articles 6 and Articles 30. At the same time, I also believe that they should be interpreted together. The wording of Article 6 clearly indicates the time of submission of the notice, and the acceptance of it is also a relevant factor considered in this clause.
On this basis, I do not think that the ready notice in this case is a ‘breach of contract’ (i.e., treat the initial submission of notice as ‘(invalid) submitted’ outside the permitted time). However, even if they did not strictly comply with the wording of Article 30, I think they are still deemed valid notices, which have been given by Justice Evans and Justice Peter Gibson.
Therefore, I also agree to dismiss this appeal and uphold the arbitrator's ruling.
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Author: Wei Changgeng, born on August 18, 1977, is from Sui County, Shangqiu District, Henan Province. He has studied at Dalian Maritime University from 1996 to 2000. During his time at school, I obtained a bachelor's degree in navigation technology and a CET-6 certificate in the National English Examination. 16 years of experience in navigating ocean-going ships, and the qualifications of ocean-going captain cape ships with 7 ships (including Cape size Cape type ships with a Cape size of more than 200,000 tons). I have always loved the study of maritime law (focus on British maritime law) and are committed to the translation of maritime law. The book "Ship Sales" has been published.
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Hamblen (the lessee's barrister) submitted to us said that the judge mistakenly accepted the difference between the invalid notice and the validity notice, that is, the invalidity is due to reasons that may be called substantial, such as in a significant way that the notice is incorrect, and the submitted notice itself is valid, although it is a violation of the 'time provision' of the valid notice.
He later went on to say:
I tend to agree with what Mr. Hamblen said that under Article 30, the notice submitted outside the permitted time is not stipulated in a contract and cannot be believed to be 'valid' notice, which means that the notice of validity is used to initiate the operation of the loading and unloading time clock, as the case may be. If the notice (said) was delivered to the lessee's office at 1800 and then taken away, then I don't think such a submission will become valid on day 2. If Judge Longmore intended to include the situation he said, that is, 'the only mistake was that the time of the notice was submitted was wrong', but at that time the notice was still valid, then I would not agree with him, but I do not think he would make a judgment like that. Notices submitted outside the time of permit are not in compliance with the contract and are therefore ‘errible’. I did not see that they would believe the notice was valid for the contract when submitting it. Whether this shortcoming is ‘eliminated’ over time is a matter of fact, not a matter of law.
Therefore, in this case, the answer to the point he made depends on the true situation of the notice submitted in writing, and in writing is equivalent to leaving the notice in the office until 0600 on the second day. Basically, I gave the same reason to reject the point he started arguing. Here, it became a question of whether the notification sent instantly by telex or fax was too early to submit at 0600 o'clock.
Peter Gibson also said that he fully agreed with the reasons given by Justice Evans when he rejected the appeal and answered the dispute raised by Mr. Hamblen - that is, the time limit cannot be made in violation of the time limit related to submitting the ready notice, so the time limit must be strictly observed, saying:
This simply cannot draw such a conclusion. For example, failure to comply with the rental payment schedule to pay rent on time may be a breach of contract, but it is not reimbursable in terms of losses because (breach) does not cause the timeline to become the fundamental basis of the contract (United Scientific Holdings Ltd v. Burnley Borough Council [1978] AC 904, in which case does not provide for the default on rent payment). Submission of a notice of transportation outside the time specified in the contract may be a ‘breach of contract’, but this does not conclude that it is a waste unless it is concluded based on the context of the contract or the subject matter of the contract that the submission of the notice within a given time is the fundamental basis of the contract.
Sir Christopher Slade, the third justice in the case also agreed to the verdict of the above two justices, adding that
, according to the charter contract, loading and unloading time is forced to be stipulated to start until 6 hours after receiving the ready notice. According to my inference, the commercial purpose of Article 30 and Sentence 2 should be to ensure that the lessee or his agent will not be overloaded after receiving the ready notice (with 6 hours of preparation time), and the next loading and unloading time is calculated from 1700 to 0600 on the next day, which means that this is outside the so-called working hours.
The basic conclusion drawn by Justice Evans means that according to the facts of the case, the delivery of the traffic notice at 0600 is in my opinion, not only in full compliance with the commercial purpose but also in full compliance with the wording of Articles 6 and Articles 30. At the same time, I also believe that they should be interpreted together. The wording of Article 6 clearly indicates the time of submission of the notice, and the acceptance of it is also a relevant factor considered in this clause.
On this basis, I do not think that the ready notice in this case is a ‘breach of contract’ (i.e., treat the initial submission of notice as ‘(invalid) submitted’ outside the permitted time). However, even if they did not strictly comply with the wording of Article 30, I think they are still deemed valid notices, which have been given by Justice Evans and Justice Peter Gibson.
Therefore, I also agree to dismiss this appeal and uphold the arbitrator's ruling.
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Author: Wei Changgeng, born on August 18, 1977, is from Sui County, Shangqiu District, Henan Province. He has studied at Dalian Maritime University from 1996 to 2000. During his time at school, I obtained a bachelor's degree in navigation technology and a CET-6 certificate in the National English Examination. 16 years of experience in navigating ocean-going ships, and the qualifications of ocean-going captain cape ships with 7 ships (including Cape size Cape type ships with a Cape size of more than 200,000 tons). I have always loved the study of maritime law (focus on British maritime law) and are committed to the translation of maritime law. The book "Ship Sales" has been published.
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