NBA中的忠誠該如何衡量？球員被詬病的不是離開而是離開的方式？

【NBA記者Alex Kennedy報道】：一位匿名NBA球員表示：「球隊剛還在和你講你會是未來長期計劃的一部分，轉頭就把你交易了，或決定不再跟你續約。一旦你受了傷，你對他們也就沒用了。但是假如球員做了一個「商業決定」並且走人，我們突然就成了眾矢之的。」

[Kennedy] Anonymous NBA player: 「Teams tell you that you』re part of the long-term future, but then they will trade you or decide not to re-sign you. And if you get hurt, you』re useless to them. But if a player makes a 『business decision』 and walks, we』re the enemy.」

[–][BOS] Jayson TatumDillyDeKid 856 指標 6小時前

Anonymous: it's Kyle.

凱爾特人球迷：該匿名球員開場白：嗨，我是洛瑞。

[–]CelticsSnowedIn01 378 指標 3小時前

I was thinking IT honestly.

凱爾特人球迷：說實話我猜的是小托馬斯。

[–]lawvert 193 指標 6小時前*

Probably Isaiah Thomas.

小托馬斯的可能性尤其大。

[–]Bulls TankwagonBeersandbirdlaw 124 指標 3小時前

I don't see why IT would be anonymous

公牛球迷：但是小托馬斯不會匿名說這些話吧。

[–]Bullsnigelfitz 177 指標 3小時前

This screams IT. Not getting re-signed, got traded, was hurt and was to felt useless.

公牛球迷：這滿篇的字縫裡都透着四個字「小托馬斯」啊。沒有收到續約合同，被球隊交易，受了重傷，充斥着無法體現價值的挫敗感。

[–][GSW] Matt Barneslikekoolaid 57 指標 2小時前

I saw anonymous and figured it was KD. The 「we』re the enemy」 part sounds defensive to me

勇士球迷：看到是匿名消息我就自然而然聯想到杜蘭特了。「我們突然就成了眾矢之的」這一句聽起來很有他那種防衛心很強的勁兒。

[–]RaptorsShlongus 2187 指標 6小時前

We get it Durrant. You don't need be anonymous

猛龍球迷：阿杜啊，我們都懂的，沒必要匿名。

[–][OKC] Steven Adamspeakelyfe 935 指標 5小時前

How amazing would it be if this was Russ, but he stayed anonymous knowing people would assume it』s KD?

Next level shade.

雷霆球迷：如果這段話其實是威少說的就太不可思議了，不過其中的玩法更為高級：他早就料到大家都會猜是杜蘭特。

這才是真正的高端黑。

[–][GSW] Jeremy Linrediraim 303 指標 4小時前

Lmao fucking lightyears ahead mind games.

勇士球迷：哈哈哈哈那威少就已經不是頭腦風暴了，簡直頭腦海嘯。

[–]Lakersedwardfortehands 656 指標 6小時前

how many times do we have to hear this

湖人球迷：同樣的言論還要讓我們聽幾遍啊。

[–]Celticsabsynthe7 383 指標 6小時前

Until people stop bitching about Durant, so... forever, probably.

凱爾特人球迷：直到人們不再BB杜蘭特的時候唄。所以……大概是永遠啦。

[–]NetsLanaRhoades- 187 指標 6小時前

Until the fans stop getting mad at a player for leaving

This has been posted 10 times, KD is a snek circlejerk has been going on for 2 years

要等到球迷們不再因為球員離隊而感到憤怒。

這樣的帖子發了也有十個了，杜蘭特蛇蛇男孩的梗也活躍兩年了。

[–]SpursCapereli 430 指標 6小時前

People don』t get angry for KD leaving, we just think it was a soft movendo to go to a 73-9 team that he blew a 3-1 lead to. No one gives a damn if left OKC

馬刺球迷：不過大家並不是因為杜蘭特離隊才感到生氣啊。杜蘭特加入了一支三比一逆轉自己的73勝球隊，大家只不過認為這樣做有丶軟弱。誰特么在乎他離開雷霆呀。

[–][LAC] Sindarius Thornwellkash96 151 指標 5小時前

It』s pretty crazy how so many people seem to forget this. Everyone who hates KD knows he made the best decision for him. We』re just mad that that decision lead to this bullshit warriors team

快船球迷：不可思議的是好多人似乎都忘了這一點。所有黑杜蘭特的人心裏都明白杜蘭特做了對自己好的決定。我們生氣是因為他的決定促成了這樣一支怪物般的勇士。

[–]artem2018champ 468 指標 6小時前

nah durant could have went to literally any other team and we wouldn't shit on him

杜蘭特哪怕去其他任何一支球隊，我們都不會黑他。

[–]MavericksRamaaaa 172 指標 5小時前

This is my issue. It made 「the decision」 look not as bad after Durant did this. I』ve never seen a player in his prime encapsulate 「if you can』t beat em join em」. Was so disappointing.

獨行俠球迷：我耿耿於懷的點就在此。杜蘭特的選擇讓老詹的「決定」都相形見絀了。我還從沒見過哪名正值巔峰的球員會踐行「打不過就加入」的原則。他的決定令人失望。

[–][LAL] Kobe Bryantmattelirod 257 指標 6小時前

It』s a vicious cycle. You gotta risk getting your feelings hurt by your team or else you』ll be considered a snek. That』s why I don』t hop on the 「(insert NBA player) is a bitch/snake/pussy」 bandwagon if they leave their team. You can』t invest in your team because your team might not invest in you, no matter what they say.

湖人球迷：惡性循環啊。如果有球員不願意冒被球隊辜負的風險，就會被扣上蛇蠍心腸的帽子。所以我不會在（某一位NBA球員）離隊之後就跟風評論一條「他真是個賤人/小人/陰陽人」。在球隊可能不會為你投入太多的情況下，你自然也不必毫無保留，不管球隊方面話說得有多好聽。

[–]HawksAtlanta_Niggas_Unite 178 指標 5小時前*

You gotta risk getting your feelings hurt by your team or else you』ll be considered a snek.

老鷹球迷：「如果有球員不願意冒被球隊辜負的風險，就會被扣上蛇蠍心腸的帽子」。

Who is really considered a snek for leaving outside of Kawhi/Durant/LeBron during the first decision? It's not about a player leaving, it's about how they leave.

除了倫納德，杜蘭特和決定1.0時期的詹姆斯，還有哪名球員因為離隊就被認為是條蛇的？球員離隊並不是關鍵，主要問題還是他們離開的方式。

Kawhi forced his way out after an injury that couldn't be confirmed, didn't support his team in the playoffs because of 'rehab commitments' in NY (yet still found time to go to an LA Dodgers game), hid from spurs representatives any chance he could get, and tried to strong arm the Spurs (who by all accounts are a good organization) into trading him to LA.... but only talked to the spurs through his fucking uncle and the media lol.

倫納德在受了模稜兩可的傷之後，就鐵了心要逼球隊交易自己。季後賽期間不去現場支持自己球隊的時候，給出了「進行復健」的理由（然而百忙之中找了點空閑去看一場洛杉磯道奇隊的比賽），千方百計地躲避馬刺方面的代表，而且試圖強迫馬刺（一支公認的優秀俱樂部）把他交易去洛杉磯的球隊……然而倫納德還只通過他殺千刀的老舅和媒體去跟馬刺溝通23333。

LeBron decided he wasn't going to be able to get it done in Cleveland (which is fine... it's Cleveland lol). Instead of just announcing it a normal way, he announced he was going to leave to form a super team in south beach Miami would later have the "not 1, not 2, not 3..." speech. It was a bitch move at the time, however by going back to Cleveland (and fulfilling his promise) he erased that negative stigma that was attached to him.

詹姆斯當時判定他沒辦法在騎士贏下總冠軍（這一點倒是沒什麼，畢竟那可是克利夫蘭啊哈哈）。明明可以通過正常的渠道放出這個消息，但詹姆斯通過直播宣告他要在南海岸的邁阿密組建一支超級球隊，緊隨其後的又是那段「不是一座，不是兩座，不是三座……」的壯志豪言。在當時這樣的舉動很讓人心裏膈應，但隨後他重返克城，實現了自己的承諾，也洗刷掉了之前的污點。

Kevin Durant decided he was going to leave to join the team he couldn't beat (plus a team that was 73-9). He made one of the most uncompetitive moves I've ever seen in sports. If he goes to any other organization in the league (outside of CLE at the time), the blowback is minimal. He's thought of as a snake because instead of finding a way to beat the guys who knocked him out, he joined and called it 'the hardest road'.

杜蘭特決定要加入一支他無法擊敗的球隊（而且這支球隊還拿下了73勝9負的戰績）。這是我見過的職業體育史上最沒有競爭性的決定之一。如果他當時加盟了任何一支其他球隊（除了當時的騎士），批評聲會是鳳毛麟角。不去想辦法擊敗剛剛淘汰掉自己的那支球隊，反而加入了對方還聲稱自己走了一條「最艱難的路」，這才讓大家認定了蛇精男孩的形象。

I mean, who else has really been considered a snek for leaving? I don't think anyone really cares so long as you don't do it in a dickheaded or cowardly way. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

我想說的是，大家都好好想想還有誰單純因為希望離隊就被鑒定為蛇的？我覺得只要你行事的方式不那麼混蛋，不太懦弱，大多數人才不在乎呢。¯_(ツ)_/¯

[–][NYK] Baron Davisthemariokarters 275 指標 6小時前

JOINING A 73 WIN TEAM AFTER LOSING TO THEM DOWN 3-1 IS NOT A 「BUSINESS DECISION」

尼克斯球迷：被七十三勝的球隊三比一逆轉後轉頭就加入了他們絕對不是一個「商業決定」！！！！！

[–]76ersjoebobpa33 161 指標 6小時前

People tend to forget that had KD gone to 28 other teams, no one besides OKC fans would have been all that upset.

76人球迷：大家都容易忘記這個事實。如果杜蘭特加入了其他28支球隊（除了騎士和勇士），那除了雷霆球迷以外，其他人都不會這麼惱火。

[–]nmking 133 指標 6小時前

And he'd likely have 2 less FMVPs right now. Seems like he made the right decision

那樣的話杜蘭特可能也要少拿兩個總決賽MVP。那看起來他這個選擇還是不錯。

[Isaiah Thomas] Just learn from my story! Loyalty is just a word in this game SMH

小托馬斯發推：「我就是個活生生的例子！在這個聯盟里，忠誠只是個空洞的詞而已。搖頭。」

[–]theaxgrinder 1688 指標 5小時前

Figured he'd chime in on this.

就知道他得發表一下看法。

[–]Wizardsnova2006 548 指標 5小時前

Have you heard the story of brink truck? Isaiah to everybody

奇才球迷：「你記得曾經大明湖畔的運鈔車嗎？」小托馬斯逢人便問。

[–][BOS] Rajon Rondoburner_for_celtics 525 指標 5小時前

Isaiah's #metoo moment

這就是小托馬斯的「我也是」時刻。[譯註1]

[譯註1]好萊塢的反性侵運動。

[–]Squalor- 306 指標 4小時前

"#me2" so it's shorter.

「同」就可以了，因為這樣更短哦。[譯註2]

[譯註2]shorter也有更矮之意，調侃小托馬斯身高。

[–]WarriorsSprewell_Choke_Job 647 指標 5小時前

LMAO this response

勇士球迷：笑尿了這真是堪稱神回復。

【倫納德社交動態：只要點贊，我就背棄自己的球隊。

倫納德立即自己給自己點了贊

倫納德新社交動態：成。】

[–]Grizzlies Tankwagondrakefeaturingdrake 165 指標 4小時前

The one like should've been his uncle.

灰熊球迷：那個點贊的應該是他舅舅才對。

[–]Clippersjcw4455 207 指標 5小時前

Players are turning on the organizations.

Lavar, this is your moment. Time to start the LBA.

快船球迷：球員們現在都快要起義了。

球爹，你表演的時刻到了。是時候成立球氏男子籃球職業聯盟了。

[–]Rockets13hardensoul13 647 指標 5小時前

damn no FA's are going to toronto next year

火箭球迷：我的天，明年大牌自由球員都不會去猛龍的。

[–]RaptorsFriedChickenIsTrash 1078 指標 5小時前*

They weren't regardless

Edit: Here is a list of our biggest FA signings ever. Schindler had a less depressing list.

猛龍球迷：說得好像以前大牌就會來一樣。

P.S. 我龍在自由市場上籤約的大牌球員名單如下。我感覺看辛德勒的名單都要更愉快一些。

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[–]Raptorswallz_11 350 指標 5小時前

Yeah ppl need to stop acting like this is going to kill the teams chances. Toronto has always had to trade their way to relevancy

猛龍球迷：正是如此，大家搞得好像這筆交易會徹底斷送球隊未來一樣。猛龍一直都得不得不靠着交易才能補強好吧。

[–][GSW] Zarko CabarkapaIAmNotKevinDurant_35 187 指標 5小時前

this is what i hate about the raptors bashing for the last few months. yeah they had an embarassing loss, but there should be zero shame in your franchise currently enjoying their best era in the team's history. you guys arent the lakers or celtics who are just able to get whatever players they want.

勇士球迷：這就是我為什麼討厭過去幾個月論壇里對猛龍無休止的抨擊。他們的確遭遇了有點難堪的失利。但是在這支正享受建隊以來最風光歲月的球隊里，羞愧的情緒完全不必存在。猛龍也並非湖人或是凱爾特人這樣的球隊，一直都能得到他們想要的任意球員。

[–]colosusx1 103 指標 4小時前

Before Al Horford, the Celtics hadn't had a major free agent star in 20-30 years. And even now, people act as if Al isn't all-star caliber, which would make 5 minutes of Hayward the only star that's signed with the Celtics in decades.

在艾爾-霍弗德之前，凱爾特人已經有20到30年沒有在自由球員市場上籤下什麼球星了。即便是現在，球迷們還在說霍弗德不算是個真正的全明星球員，那這樣一來凱爾特人數十年來簽下的唯一球星就是上場5分鐘的海沃德了。

I believe Dana Barros was the biggest free agent signing going back to 1995. He averaged 10ppg as a Celtic over 5 seasons. People weren't really itching to play for Boston.

我確信在1995年，凱爾特人簽下的達納·巴洛斯是當時自由球員市場里最大的一條魚。在效力於凱爾特人的5個賽季中，他場均能怒砍10分左右。球員們之前可不是死活要去波士頓啊。

[–]LakersFuckWayne 121 指標 4小時前

Before LeBron the last big free agent LA got was 20 years prior in Shaq

湖人球迷：在老詹之前，我湖最重量級的自由市場簽約就是20年前的鯊魚了。

[–]Lakersthe_far_yard 1141 指標 5小時前

"Am i getting traded?"

'No, Demar.'

"Oh. Ok. Thanks guys."

Few mins later...

"What's with these boxes labled DD?"

「我是要被交易了嗎？」

「才不會呢，阿贊。」

「哦，那就好。謝了老哥們。」

幾分鐘過去了……

「呃，我想問下那些標着『DD』名字縮寫的打包箱子都是誰的？」

[–][OKC] Paul GeorgeIncaseAce 159 指標 5小時前

I think the reality of the situation is a team and player relationship is 50/50. At the end of the day, they don』t owe you anything and vice versa. If only Toronto hadn』t lied.

雷霆球迷：我認為現在的情況現實是，球員和球隊之間的關係都應該是對等的有所保留。說破大天，球隊對球員其實並不虧欠，反之亦如是。我只希望猛龍管理層沒有騙德羅贊。

[–]Jooana 169 指標 5小時前

If they lied, it was the professional thing to do.

What are GMs supposed to say "Oh, I'm trying hard to trade you because I don't think you're good enough to build a contender around. By the way, if the trade doesn't actually go anywhere, please forget I've told you this and instead remember I think you're a great player who will carry us to a title" - is that it?

如果管理層確實撒了謊，那也是職業之舉。

不然球隊經理們要怎麼說？「嗯，我正在盡我的努力去交易你，因為我不覺得你優秀到能成為一支總冠軍球隊的基石。對了，萬一交易沒成的話，麻煩就把這茬忘了吧，千萬要記得我一直認為你是個能帶我們爭冠的優秀球員吶」像這樣？

Players who ask this type of questions are actually asking to be lied to. And this is true for plenty of other situations in professional settings.

提出這種問題的球員真的是在自討苦吃。在職業工作的很多其他環境下，不把話挑明都是至高真理。