美球迷熱議季後賽強度常規賽有多大不同？托馬斯德羅贊多次萎靡

Isaiah Thomas was held to under 20 points 5 times in the regular season. In these playoffs, he's been held to under 20 7 times. (self.nba)

小托馬斯在常規賽里一共只有5次得分被限制在20分以下，但在季後賽中，他得分不夠20分卻出現了7次。

He's had some great games in these playoffs, but he's also been shut down a lot.

他確實在季後賽里打出過一些非常棒的表現，但被鎖死的次數確實也不少。

[–]Nets BandwagonLanaRhoades- 453 指標 1 天前*

in 78 games, Derozan didnt have a game with less than 10 points, in the playoffs in 10 games he had two of them including a game where he went 0-8.

playoffs are different, defenses are much better and focused, thats why u see players choke and not be as good as in the regular season, the pressure and the defense

在78場比賽中，德羅贊每場比賽得分都上了雙，但是季後賽的十場比賽里，卻出現了兩次得分不上雙的情況，而且還包括一場8中0的比賽。

季後賽是不一樣的，防守更強也更專註，這就是為啥你會看到球員出現卡殼的現象，以及他們無法打出常規賽時候的優秀表現，主要就是因為壓力和防守強度。

[–]Magiccornboss 225 指標 1 天前

Yet LeBron goes into another gear for the playoffs.

但詹姆斯還是有辦法在季後賽里變成另一種狀態。

[–]Nets BandwagonLanaRhoades- 273 指標 1 天前

LeBron is an all time great, these guys are just all star level players, there have been hundreds of players like DeRozan or Thomas, there have only been two players as good as LeBron

詹姆斯可是歷史級巨星，這些人就是全明星級別的球員，歷史上有過上百個跟德羅贊和小托馬斯差不多的球員，卻只出現過兩個跟詹姆斯一個級別的球員。

[–]Trail BlazersIAmNewSam 98 指標 1 天前

hes 5'9" and dropped 53 in the playoffs, due to his size imo there will be nights when he pretty much has to pass and the celtics still won a lot of games like that even tho he wasn't the biggest scoring punch because he can provide other things. he brings more to the table than just scoring 20+ imo.

他只有175卻在季後賽砍下過53分，考慮到他的身形，肯定會有他不得不傳球的比賽，但是凱爾特人在他不是第一得分火力點的比賽里依舊贏了很多場，因為除了得分他依舊可以做出其他的貢獻。他的貢獻在我看來不只是場均得到20+的分數。

[–]Celticsceltic-pride1 18 指標 1 天前

he had to pass more in order for the celtics to get past the wizards. there was too much attention on him and celtics were getting killed. IT made the adjustments and they paid off.

他需要做出更多的傳球，凱爾特人才最終越過了奇才。他獲得的注意力太多了，而且凱爾特人眼看就要輸球。小托馬斯做出了調整，最後這個調整收到了成效。

[–]junkit33 41 指標 1 天前

It sounds like his hip has been a much bigger issue than anyone ever guessed. Celtics were surprised he wasn't shut down in Washington series.

Between that and his sister, the guy has been through a lot more than most. I wouldn't really judge his performance for anything.

我覺得他的臀部傷勢好像比大家猜想的還要嚴重一些，他在對陣奇才的系列賽里沒被鎖死應該就已經讓凱爾特人感到驚喜了吧。

在臀部傷勢和他妹妹的事情之中，他經歷了比我們中的大多數人都要多的事情。我不會妄加評論他的表現的。

[–]CelticsITsLoverBoy 255 指標 1 天前

People should actually bother watching the games before talking. He didnt choke in the playoffs at any point. 3 of those games were against the bulls which the Celtics won all 3. He simply didnt need to score 20+ in some games because he was getting doubled and had to give up the ball. Lets not forget he was apparently playing with an injury, had a death in his family right before the playoffs, and had an 11 hour surgery. Despite all this, he didnt miss a single game and dropped multiple 30+ point games, as well as a fucking 53 point game. Really the only time you can blame him is for the last 2 games against the cavs (which theyre not supposed to win and are completely outmatched. Im just tired of all the disrespect he still gets despite proving everyone wrong his whole life.

大家在隨便張嘴之前應該先看一下他的比賽，他從來沒有在季後賽里出現過卡殼的情況。樓主說的那裏面有三場是在對陣公牛的時候，那三場比賽凱爾特人都贏了，他不需要在那些比賽里拿到20+因為他被包夾了，必須把球分出去。更不能忘了他是在帶傷作戰，在季後賽剛開始的時候就遭受了親人離世的巨大打擊，還經歷了長達11個小時的手術（牙齒）。在這些東西的基礎上，他沒有缺席任何一場比賽，而且打出了很多次單場30+的表現。當然還有日天的53分。唯一可以甩鍋給他的，就是他在最近兩次對陣騎士時候的表現，（雖然他們本來就贏不下來，對位完全被克制）。但我真的是受夠了他在用自己的一生證明大家對他的看法是錯誤的時候，卻還會如此不被尊重。

[–]CelticsR0ndoNumba9 19 指標 1 天前

Teams really game planned to shut him down. When they did, he adjusted and passed to guys for open looks more. When those players with open looks actually made the shots, the Cs won. When they missed....they got blown out. His turnovers did go up a little in the playoffs from 2.8 to 3.3.

球隊們都拿出了想要鎖死他的戰術。當他們真的執行的時候，他調整自己的比賽，把球更多的傳給空位的隊友。當那些有空位的隊友真的能夠命中投籃的時候，凱爾特人就贏球了。當他們投不進的時候……凱爾特人就被打花了。他的失誤在季後賽里確實上升了，從2.8個到了3.3個。

[–]SupersonicsHeeeroh 11 指標 1 天前

He's also been playing with a hurt hip since mid March and re-aggravated the injury multiple times during this playoff run...

而且從三月中旬開始他就是拖着受傷的臀部在打球，在季後賽里還多次加重了傷病。

[–]CelticsGMPunk75 67 指標 1 天前*

Shut down a lot? You did not watch any of the games. lol

3 or 4 of those games he didn't even need to score 20+ and we still won.

16 point against Chi, C's win 104-87

12 points against Chi, C's win 105-83

18 points against the Wiz. C's win 123-101

凱爾特人球迷：被鎖死了很多次？？？呵呵你可能是沒看那幾場球吧。

那裏面有3，4場我們不需要他得到20+的分數就贏球了。

對陣公牛得到16分的時候，104-87贏球。

對陣公牛得到12分的時候，105-83贏球。

對陣奇才得到18分的時候，123-101贏球。

[–]76ersbaconshake8 12 指標 1 天前

I mean, he is known for scoring a bunch in the fourth quarter. Kind of hard to do that when you're sitting on the bench in a blowout.

我覺得吧，他第四節瘋狂砍分的能力比較出名，如果比賽打花坐在板凳上的話，就很難在第四節得很多分了。

[–][POR] Damian Lillardirelli 51 指標 1 天前

You're conveniently leaving out his FG% in those games. Just because they didn't need him to win, doesn't mean he didn't get shut down.

There's a big difference between going like 6/11 for 15 points in a blowout win where you played 24 minutes vs going 7-18 for 16 points in 31 in a blowout win (IT G3 vs Bulls).

你這是很舒服得直接把那些比賽里的命中率漏掉了。他打出那樣的表現就是因為他們不需要他發揮就能贏球，這也不意味着他被鎖死了。

在一場打花的比賽中上場24分鐘11中6拿下15分和上場31分鐘，18中7拿下16分（小托馬斯對陣公牛的第三場）還是有很大差別的。

[–]edwardsamson 57 指標 1 天前

Yet no one is talking about his assists in these games. Multiple 10+ assists games when he was under 20 points.

同時根本沒有人提他的助攻，這些得分不到20的比賽中有很多次助攻都上了雙。

[–][HOU] James Harden20MD20 24 指標 1 天前

In nearly all of those wins he was kicking the ball out for assists.

I guess you could say that a star is truly not shut down if they just play off the double team, but even LeBron James hardly does that and continuously kicks out for the open 3 or whatever. Maybe his FG% was low; but his presence still led to the W- I wouldn't call that getting shut down. It would be getting shut down if he were removed from the offense and couldn't playmake against the double team.

幾乎那些贏球的比賽里，他都把球分出去助攻隊友了。

我覺得如果球星被包夾的話，是不能說他們被鎖死了的。但是哪怕詹姆斯也不會一直被包夾，一直分球。可能他的命中率會低，但是他在場上的存在還是會領導他們最後拿到勝利。我不會把這稱作是被鎖死。如果他在進攻端完全消失，然後在面對包夾的時候根本創造不出進攻機會，才叫做被鎖死。

[–]CelticsITsLoverBoy 22 指標 1 天前

Because its the "choke" narrative. Choking means you didnt perform when your team needed you most. As we can see, he clearly performed when he was needed, and as literally every player not named Lebron, he had some bad games.

因為我們說的是卡殼這個事，卡殼意味着你在球隊最需要你的時候，沒能打出應有的表現。我們都能看到，球隊需要他的時候，他都給球隊續上了。還有除去一個叫詹姆斯的球員，其他人都會偶爾打出一些表現不太好的比賽。

[–]Warriorsw3bCraw1er 14 指標 1 天前*

It's unreal how much disrespect IT gets. What he does for his size is unique. He has his challenges but still I don't remember seeing anyone like him. Stars with better physique like Lowry, DeRozan, Kyrie and so many more can't even match what he has done this year but people still keep finding faults. His defense is going to be a problem. He is shortest star player in the league. People said he is going to be shut down in playoffs. He has outplayed Wall ,Beal, Butler, and pretty much everyone so far. He is pick # 60 guys. Look where he is now. Choke is the last thing I can ever think about IT when stars like LeBron (2011 mavs finals, 2010 Celtics ECF), Harden (Finals against Heat, this year) have quit on their teams or choked hundreds of times before. What are the excuses there? Despite sisters death, surgery on teeth, he didn't take a break.

小托馬斯得到的不尊重簡直不可思議。他在他這個體型的基礎上打出的表現實在是太獨特了。他也有他需要面對的挑戰但我還是不記得見過哪個人跟他一樣。有的球星身體條件更好，比如洛瑞，德羅贊，歐文還有其他很多人卻都達不到他今年的表現，但人們卻依舊總是在給他挑刺。他的防守會是個問題。他是聯盟最矮的球星等等。人們說他在季後賽會被鎖死。但他卻打得比沃爾，比爾，巴特勒，甚至可以說是所有人都更優秀。他是第60順位啊，朋友們。看看他現在取得了怎樣的成就。卡殼是提到小托馬斯的時候我最不會想到的詞，考慮到詹姆斯（2011年對陣小牛的決賽，2010年對陣凱爾特人的東部決賽），哈登（對陣熱火的決賽，和今年）都曾不少次拋棄過自己的球隊，或者說在之前卡殼過很多次。他們有什麼借口呢？除了他妹妹的離世，牙齒手術，小托馬斯真的根本沒有放鬆過。