NBA中的忠诚该如何衡量？球员被诟病的不是离开而是离开的方式？

【NBA记者Alex Kennedy报道】：一位匿名NBA球员表示：“球队刚还在和你讲你会是未来长期计划的一部分，转头就把你交易了，或决定不再跟你续约。一旦你受了伤，你对他们也就没用了。但是假如球员做了一个“商业决定”并且走人，我们突然就成了众矢之的。”

[Kennedy] Anonymous NBA player: “Teams tell you that you’re part of the long-term future, but then they will trade you or decide not to re-sign you. And if you get hurt, you’re useless to them. But if a player makes a ‘business decision’ and walks, we’re the enemy.”

[–][BOS] Jayson TatumDillyDeKid 856 指标 6小时前

Anonymous: it's Kyle.

凯尔特人球迷：该匿名球员开场白：嗨，我是洛瑞。

[–]CelticsSnowedIn01 378 指标 3小时前

I was thinking IT honestly.

凯尔特人球迷：说实话我猜的是小托马斯。

[–]lawvert 193 指标 6小时前*

Probably Isaiah Thomas.

小托马斯的可能性尤其大。

[–]Bulls TankwagonBeersandbirdlaw 124 指标 3小时前

I don't see why IT would be anonymous

公牛球迷：但是小托马斯不会匿名说这些话吧。

[–]Bullsnigelfitz 177 指标 3小时前

This screams IT. Not getting re-signed, got traded, was hurt and was to felt useless.

公牛球迷：这满篇的字缝里都透着四个字“小托马斯”啊。没有收到续约合同，被球队交易，受了重伤，充斥着无法体现价值的挫败感。

[–][GSW] Matt Barneslikekoolaid 57 指标 2小时前

I saw anonymous and figured it was KD. The “we’re the enemy” part sounds defensive to me

勇士球迷：看到是匿名消息我就自然而然联想到杜兰特了。“我们突然就成了众矢之的”这一句听起来很有他那种防卫心很强的劲儿。

[–]RaptorsShlongus 2187 指标 6小时前

We get it Durrant. You don't need be anonymous

猛龙球迷：阿杜啊，我们都懂的，没必要匿名。

[–][OKC] Steven Adamspeakelyfe 935 指标 5小时前

How amazing would it be if this was Russ, but he stayed anonymous knowing people would assume it’s KD?

Next level shade.

雷霆球迷：如果这段话其实是威少说的就太不可思议了，不过其中的玩法更为高级：他早就料到大家都会猜是杜兰特。

这才是真正的高端黑。

[–][GSW] Jeremy Linrediraim 303 指标 4小时前

Lmao fucking lightyears ahead mind games.

勇士球迷：哈哈哈哈那威少就已经不是头脑风暴了，简直头脑海啸。

[–]Lakersedwardfortehands 656 指标 6小时前

how many times do we have to hear this

湖人球迷：同样的言论还要让我们听几遍啊。

[–]Celticsabsynthe7 383 指标 6小时前

Until people stop bitching about Durant, so... forever, probably.

凯尔特人球迷：直到人们不再BB杜兰特的时候呗。所以……大概是永远啦。

[–]NetsLanaRhoades- 187 指标 6小时前

Until the fans stop getting mad at a player for leaving

This has been posted 10 times, KD is a snek circlejerk has been going on for 2 years

要等到球迷们不再因为球员离队而感到愤怒。

这样的帖子发了也有十个了，杜兰特蛇蛇男孩的梗也活跃两年了。

[–]SpursCapereli 430 指标 6小时前

People don’t get angry for KD leaving, we just think it was a soft movendo to go to a 73-9 team that he blew a 3-1 lead to. No one gives a damn if left OKC

马刺球迷：不过大家并不是因为杜兰特离队才感到生气啊。杜兰特加入了一支三比一逆转自己的73胜球队，大家只不过认为这样做有丶软弱。谁特么在乎他离开雷霆呀。

[–][LAC] Sindarius Thornwellkash96 151 指标 5小时前

It’s pretty crazy how so many people seem to forget this. Everyone who hates KD knows he made the best decision for him. We’re just mad that that decision lead to this bullshit warriors team

快船球迷：不可思议的是好多人似乎都忘了这一点。所有黑杜兰特的人心里都明白杜兰特做了对自己好的决定。我们生气是因为他的决定促成了这样一支怪物般的勇士。

[–]artem2018champ 468 指标 6小时前

nah durant could have went to literally any other team and we wouldn't shit on him

杜兰特哪怕去其他任何一支球队，我们都不会黑他。

[–]MavericksRamaaaa 172 指标 5小时前

This is my issue. It made “the decision” look not as bad after Durant did this. I’ve never seen a player in his prime encapsulate “if you can’t beat em join em”. Was so disappointing.

独行侠球迷：我耿耿于怀的点就在此。杜兰特的选择让老詹的“决定”都相形见绌了。我还从没见过哪名正值巅峰的球员会践行“打不过就加入”的原则。他的决定令人失望。

[–][LAL] Kobe Bryantmattelirod 257 指标 6小时前

It’s a vicious cycle. You gotta risk getting your feelings hurt by your team or else you’ll be considered a snek. That’s why I don’t hop on the “(insert NBA player) is a bitch/snake/pussy” bandwagon if they leave their team. You can’t invest in your team because your team might not invest in you, no matter what they say.

湖人球迷：恶性循环啊。如果有球员不愿意冒被球队辜负的风险，就会被扣上蛇蝎心肠的帽子。所以我不会在（某一位NBA球员）离队之后就跟风评论一条“他真是个贱人/小人/阴阳人”。在球队可能不会为你投入太多的情况下，你自然也不必毫无保留，不管球队方面话说得有多好听。

[–]HawksAtlanta_Niggas_Unite 178 指标 5小时前*

You gotta risk getting your feelings hurt by your team or else you’ll be considered a snek.

老鹰球迷：“如果有球员不愿意冒被球队辜负的风险，就会被扣上蛇蝎心肠的帽子”。

Who is really considered a snek for leaving outside of Kawhi/Durant/LeBron during the first decision? It's not about a player leaving, it's about how they leave.

除了伦纳德，杜兰特和决定1.0时期的詹姆斯，还有哪名球员因为离队就被认为是条蛇的？球员离队并不是关键，主要问题还是他们离开的方式。

Kawhi forced his way out after an injury that couldn't be confirmed, didn't support his team in the playoffs because of 'rehab commitments' in NY (yet still found time to go to an LA Dodgers game), hid from spurs representatives any chance he could get, and tried to strong arm the Spurs (who by all accounts are a good organization) into trading him to LA.... but only talked to the spurs through his fucking uncle and the media lol.

伦纳德在受了模棱两可的伤之后，就铁了心要逼球队交易自己。季后赛期间不去现场支持自己球队的时候，给出了“进行复健”的理由（然而百忙之中找了点空闲去看一场洛杉矶道奇队的比赛），千方百计地躲避马刺方面的代表，而且试图强迫马刺（一支公认的优秀俱乐部）把他交易去洛杉矶的球队……然而伦纳德还只通过他杀千刀的老舅和媒体去跟马刺沟通23333。

LeBron decided he wasn't going to be able to get it done in Cleveland (which is fine... it's Cleveland lol). Instead of just announcing it a normal way, he announced he was going to leave to form a super team in south beach Miami would later have the "not 1, not 2, not 3..." speech. It was a bitch move at the time, however by going back to Cleveland (and fulfilling his promise) he erased that negative stigma that was attached to him.

詹姆斯当时判定他没办法在骑士赢下总冠军（这一点倒是没什么，毕竟那可是克利夫兰啊哈哈）。明明可以通过正常的渠道放出这个消息，但詹姆斯通过直播宣告他要在南海岸的迈阿密组建一支超级球队，紧随其后的又是那段“不是一座，不是两座，不是三座……”的壮志豪言。在当时这样的举动很让人心里膈应，但随后他重返克城，实现了自己的承诺，也洗刷掉了之前的污点。

Kevin Durant decided he was going to leave to join the team he couldn't beat (plus a team that was 73-9). He made one of the most uncompetitive moves I've ever seen in sports. If he goes to any other organization in the league (outside of CLE at the time), the blowback is minimal. He's thought of as a snake because instead of finding a way to beat the guys who knocked him out, he joined and called it 'the hardest road'.

杜兰特决定要加入一支他无法击败的球队（而且这支球队还拿下了73胜9负的战绩）。这是我见过的职业体育史上最没有竞争性的决定之一。如果他当时加盟了任何一支其他球队（除了当时的骑士），批评声会是凤毛麟角。不去想办法击败刚刚淘汰掉自己的那支球队，反而加入了对方还声称自己走了一条“最艰难的路”，这才让大家认定了蛇精男孩的形象。

I mean, who else has really been considered a snek for leaving? I don't think anyone really cares so long as you don't do it in a dickheaded or cowardly way. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

我想说的是，大家都好好想想还有谁单纯因为希望离队就被鉴定为蛇的？我觉得只要你行事的方式不那么混蛋，不太懦弱，大多数人才不在乎呢。¯_(ツ)_/¯

[–][NYK] Baron Davisthemariokarters 275 指标 6小时前

JOINING A 73 WIN TEAM AFTER LOSING TO THEM DOWN 3-1 IS NOT A “BUSINESS DECISION”

尼克斯球迷：被七十三胜的球队三比一逆转后转头就加入了他们绝对不是一个“商业决定”！！！！！

[–]76ersjoebobpa33 161 指标 6小时前

People tend to forget that had KD gone to 28 other teams, no one besides OKC fans would have been all that upset.

76人球迷：大家都容易忘记这个事实。如果杜兰特加入了其他28支球队（除了骑士和勇士），那除了雷霆球迷以外，其他人都不会这么恼火。

[–]nmking 133 指标 6小时前

And he'd likely have 2 less FMVPs right now. Seems like he made the right decision

那样的话杜兰特可能也要少拿两个总决赛MVP。那看起来他这个选择还是不错。

[Isaiah Thomas] Just learn from my story! Loyalty is just a word in this game SMH

小托马斯发推：“我就是个活生生的例子！在这个联盟里，忠诚只是个空洞的词而已。摇头。”

[–]theaxgrinder 1688 指标 5小时前

Figured he'd chime in on this.

就知道他得发表一下看法。

[–]Wizardsnova2006 548 指标 5小时前

Have you heard the story of brink truck? Isaiah to everybody

奇才球迷：“你记得曾经大明湖畔的运钞车吗？”小托马斯逢人便问。

[–][BOS] Rajon Rondoburner_for_celtics 525 指标 5小时前

Isaiah's #metoo moment

这就是小托马斯的“我也是”时刻。[译注1]

[译注1]好莱坞的反性侵运动。

[–]Squalor- 306 指标 4小时前

"#me2" so it's shorter.

“同”就可以了，因为这样更短哦。[译注2]

[译注2]shorter也有更矮之意，调侃小托马斯身高。

[–]WarriorsSprewell_Choke_Job 647 指标 5小时前

LMAO this response

勇士球迷：笑尿了这真是堪称神回复。

【伦纳德社交动态：只要点赞，我就背弃自己的球队。

伦纳德立即自己给自己点了赞

伦纳德新社交动态：成。】

[–]Grizzlies Tankwagondrakefeaturingdrake 165 指标 4小时前

The one like should've been his uncle.

灰熊球迷：那个点赞的应该是他舅舅才对。

[–]Clippersjcw4455 207 指标 5小时前

Players are turning on the organizations.

Lavar, this is your moment. Time to start the LBA.

快船球迷：球员们现在都快要起义了。

球爹，你表演的时刻到了。是时候成立球氏男子篮球职业联盟了。

[–]Rockets13hardensoul13 647 指标 5小时前

damn no FA's are going to toronto next year

火箭球迷：我的天，明年大牌自由球员都不会去猛龙的。

[–]RaptorsFriedChickenIsTrash 1078 指标 5小时前*

They weren't regardless

Edit: Here is a list of our biggest FA signings ever. Schindler had a less depressing list.

猛龙球迷：说得好像以前大牌就会来一样。

P.S. 我龙在自由市场上签约的大牌球员名单如下。我感觉看辛德勒的名单都要更愉快一些。

相关阅读：Hype杂志：猛龙队史前十的自由球员签约（英文）>>

[–]Raptorswallz_11 350 指标 5小时前

Yeah ppl need to stop acting like this is going to kill the teams chances. Toronto has always had to trade their way to relevancy

猛龙球迷：正是如此，大家搞得好像这笔交易会彻底断送球队未来一样。猛龙一直都得不得不靠着交易才能补强好吧。

[–][GSW] Zarko CabarkapaIAmNotKevinDurant_35 187 指标 5小时前

this is what i hate about the raptors bashing for the last few months. yeah they had an embarassing loss, but there should be zero shame in your franchise currently enjoying their best era in the team's history. you guys arent the lakers or celtics who are just able to get whatever players they want.

勇士球迷：这就是我为什么讨厌过去几个月论坛里对猛龙无休止的抨击。他们的确遭遇了有点难堪的失利。但是在这支正享受建队以来最风光岁月的球队里，羞愧的情绪完全不必存在。猛龙也并非湖人或是凯尔特人这样的球队，一直都能得到他们想要的任意球员。

[–]colosusx1 103 指标 4小时前

Before Al Horford, the Celtics hadn't had a major free agent star in 20-30 years. And even now, people act as if Al isn't all-star caliber, which would make 5 minutes of Hayward the only star that's signed with the Celtics in decades.

在艾尔-霍弗德之前，凯尔特人已经有20到30年没有在自由球员市场上签下什么球星了。即便是现在，球迷们还在说霍弗德不算是个真正的全明星球员，那这样一来凯尔特人数十年来签下的唯一球星就是上场5分钟的海沃德了。

I believe Dana Barros was the biggest free agent signing going back to 1995. He averaged 10ppg as a Celtic over 5 seasons. People weren't really itching to play for Boston.

我确信在1995年，凯尔特人签下的达纳·巴洛斯是当时自由球员市场里最大的一条鱼。在效力于凯尔特人的5个赛季中，他场均能怒砍10分左右。球员们之前可不是死活要去波士顿啊。

[–]LakersFuckWayne 121 指标 4小时前

Before LeBron the last big free agent LA got was 20 years prior in Shaq

湖人球迷：在老詹之前，我湖最重量级的自由市场签约就是20年前的鲨鱼了。

[–]Lakersthe_far_yard 1141 指标 5小时前

"Am i getting traded?"

'No, Demar.'

"Oh. Ok. Thanks guys."

Few mins later...

"What's with these boxes labled DD?"

“我是要被交易了吗？”

“才不会呢，阿赞。”

“哦，那就好。谢了老哥们。”

几分钟过去了……

“呃，我想问下那些标着‘DD’名字缩写的打包箱子都是谁的？”

[–][OKC] Paul GeorgeIncaseAce 159 指标 5小时前

I think the reality of the situation is a team and player relationship is 50/50. At the end of the day, they don’t owe you anything and vice versa. If only Toronto hadn’t lied.

雷霆球迷：我认为现在的情况现实是，球员和球队之间的关系都应该是对等的有所保留。说破大天，球队对球员其实并不亏欠，反之亦如是。我只希望猛龙管理层没有骗德罗赞。

[–]Jooana 169 指标 5小时前

If they lied, it was the professional thing to do.

What are GMs supposed to say "Oh, I'm trying hard to trade you because I don't think you're good enough to build a contender around. By the way, if the trade doesn't actually go anywhere, please forget I've told you this and instead remember I think you're a great player who will carry us to a title" - is that it?

如果管理层确实撒了谎，那也是职业之举。

不然球队经理们要怎么说？“嗯，我正在尽我的努力去交易你，因为我不觉得你优秀到能成为一支总冠军球队的基石。对了，万一交易没成的话，麻烦就把这茬忘了吧，千万要记得我一直认为你是个能带我们争冠的优秀球员呐”像这样？

Players who ask this type of questions are actually asking to be lied to. And this is true for plenty of other situations in professional settings.

提出这种问题的球员真的是在自讨苦吃。在职业工作的很多其他环境下，不把话挑明都是至高真理。